Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murder of Krystal Dawn Steadman

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus is determined by viewing the discussion through the lens of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and the comments by editors that cited sourcing issues were not addressed or rebutted in a way that shows that notability would or could be met. Aoidh (talk) 12:10, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Murder of Krystal Dawn Steadman[edit]

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Not seeing notability beyond the incident. Using sources from the 1980s to cover an event that happened in 2000 seems like a stretch, somewhat OR. Oaktree b (talk) 18:34, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Oaktree b (talk) 18:34, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you look closely at what I was referring to, the 80s events weren't of the murder, but of the killers' pasts. Any other concerns? ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 18:37, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

She's a murdered girl whose death impacted and united communities across the region. She deserves a page, let alone written and finalized the right way in consideration for her. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 18:48, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Who else is a part of the discussion and decision-making? ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 18:50, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we need extensive coverage of the event, showing lasting notability. Not that someone was killed 20 yrs ago; this isn't a memorial website. Everyone is involved in the decision making process here. Oaktree b (talk) 19:01, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also note there is no coverage of the event in Gbooks, Gnews, the NYT or Jstor. Doesn't seem to have gathered any sort of attention past the event itself. No one "deserves" an article in wikipedia, this isn't a memorial or a feel-good website. I'm not sure how having a site "in consideration" of her advances the goals of wikipedia. Oaktree b (talk) 19:04, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are several sources still making memorial pages for Krystal today, and I reiterate, she's had lasting impacts. Did you not see what I wrote about the legal advocacy in the aftermath section? It doesn't take other major sites noticing for the site to be benefited, and users and viewers are naturally going to find the article, likely add more sources even than I could find, and prove she's still remembered. What's next, saying little happens in Nevada, so that's a de facto disqualification? Or that the Los Angeles Times doesn't count, it's no affiliate or something? ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 19:08, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I excluded Facebook links for obvious reasons. Does that account for something? ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 19:15, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really interested if it happens in Nevada or not, it's the coverage the matters. Oaktree b (talk) 19:41, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's been plenty of coverage, including of effects from the crimes carrying on through the years. It's not confirmed yet, but I can add there are Cold Case and SVU episodes inspired by the crime. Would that help? ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 20:11, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, I'm not completely suggesting that to save the page, but because crime fans have already made connections and would like to follow up with confirmations. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 20:14, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nevada-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 20:13, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is too much finite detail about what seems to be an average crime, along with a WP:COATRACK about a memorial and its overall status, with both aspects well violating WP:NOTMEMORIAL (and SVU is known to fictionalize aspects of each crime so they aren't a carbon copy, and most of all it's a fictional television series). The detail about the memorial is also a POV violation. Wikipedia is not the appropriate site or use case for this type of article, and I will not go in the same response loop as Oaktree is stuck in. My vote! is final unless more compelling sources come up. Nate • (chatter) 21:09, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm for the first time, and to my surprise, hearing about the no memorial policy, but I wasn't meaning the page like that even! This is an encyclopedia after all, I was communicating a horrific death of an innocent child, a community who came together to honor her, and even preceding history people didn't circulate widely. That's educational and vital! I'd hope her family and friends would like the right narrative especially. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 00:00, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Please read our policy about a neutral point of view immediately; your writing must be not only well-sourced, but neutral. Nate • (chatter) 03:14, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You mind clarifying to me what violations you're finding in that policy so I can clarify I don't mean it that way and/or correct myself? ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 18:53, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We try not to accuse people of things here and to discuss things neutrally, not favoring one point of view over another. Simply report the facts. Oaktree b (talk) 20:27, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What did I write that sounds opinionated? I'm at a loss here! I actually went over my text a couple times and rewrote things the news articles didn't specify more on so I'd be impartial. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 22:01, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think this would do better as a section about the main rapist (Sorias Sr.) by what the article seems to imply, he was quite a prolific rapist. ~With regards, I followed The Username Policy (Message Me) (What I have done on Wikipedia) 23:02, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I hope this note reaches you. I don't have enough information on the rapes, because Krystal's murder got the most attention. I could easily put Soria, Sr. (no "s" at the end), in list of serial rapists, as I've been expanding that list for a while now. But as for renaming and changing the format of the article, I'm open to it, but I hope we can discuss a plan for that. An agreed plan between everyone wanting to work through this well with each other. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 18:17, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you might have to dig below the surface on Sorias, do you know the victim amount, or is it overexaggerated. I feel as there would be some documentation on him considering that these rapes seemed to have occurred at the start of the dot-com bubble, which would provoke at least some internet discussion and reliable sources to pop up about the other rapes. ~With regards, I followed The Username Policy (Message Me) (What I have done on Wikipedia) 21:24, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

One news article speaks of the father's account, but only the father's account. There are likely more local news reports, which are difficult to find. There are otherwise memorials, social media posts, etc., less credible resources. As for the other rapes, the news reports only say so much. But one of my links leads to a review on a book based on the crimes, which wasn't reviewed well. Where I got much of my information. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 02:23, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Who would like to continue the discussion? ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 15:28, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, we're fine thanks. I'm still not seeing this as notable. Oaktree b (talk) 01:27, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is pretty much over, sadly this page is going to get deleted probably, Steadman's murder is sadly just a run-of-the-mill rape and murder. ~With regards, I followed The Username Policy (Message Me) (What I have done on Wikipedia) 15:37, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's not run-of-the mill! Why are we looking for a tabloid headline here?! When she died, a community was traumatized and even divided for years, THAT'S noteworthy! ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 18:02, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.