Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murder Kroger

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There were two who argued for a keep, but consensus is fairly clear the events here are news stories lacking encyclopedic significance. (While murders are the most serious of crimes, they do not in general merit separate articles, nor do they lend notability to the location where they occur.) There are also claims that "Murder Kroger" is a common (probably slang) nickname for the location, but the claim has not been backed up by reliable sourcing. Sjakkalle (Check!) 17:28, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Murder Kroger[edit]

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The sources are either unreliable (personal websites, YouTube, Facebook, MySpace), don't mention the Kroger (the book), don't use the term "Murder Kroger" (the AJC article), or are otherwise unreliable (Yelp). The only source that looks decent is this one. Everything else is just spam, personal websites, OR, and fancruft. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 07:27, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Grudgingly Support - I was prepared to argue that we should seek out reliable sources before considering deletion, but I am unable to find any sources that are not self-published via Google. --RDavi404 (talk) 14:03, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NOTNEO. This has purely local interest. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:55, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Georgia (U.S. state)-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:48, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:48, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I don't see how this is a neologism or how the fact that it is purely local is relevant. It is a notable place for reasons including: 1) its nickname (the nickname is in itself a meme, from which have sprung the song, etc. and this is a topic important enough for local media to cover), 2) two murders on the premises, 3) its renovation related to a high-profile citywide project, the BeltLine. Granted, the references are mostly self-published, but there seem to be two solid ones from Creative Loafing. Also the murders on the premises are referenced clearly in local media such as the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. The fact that those articles don't use the term "Murder Kroger" is irrelevant because they are talking about the same place. One could rename the article "Kroger (Ponce de Leon Avenue, Atlanta)" but in light of the meme that would not be the most common term for the place, and we are supposed to title articles with the most commonly used name (even if that is not used in all sources). Keizers (talk) 03:21, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The coverage from the AJC is WP:ROUTINE. Lots of crimes happen at businesses in the big city. I saw no articles relating to its renovation. The Creative Loafing sources barely even mention the place, and only name-drop it in the context of something else. Mere name drops are not enough. Also, the fact that no reliable sources call it Murder Kroger would suggest a lack of notability. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 03:35, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 00:21, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Murder Kroger is not a neologism, it is already a commonly used phrase among Atlantans when referring to the Kroger on Ponce de Leon in Midtown Atlanta. That it is of local interest is not a relevant consideration under the deletion policy, and also is not necessarily true. The nickname may be of interest to individiuals researching Kroger stores or urban crime. It is not surprising that few official sources would refer to the store as "Murder Kroger," given the name may be libelous, but nonetheless it is an accepted part of the lexicon of many an Atlantan. The sheer number of "unofficial" sources cited in the article bears that out. avatar77 19:47, 24 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jviscomi (talk • contribs) — Jviscomi (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Where are the secondary sources? The "unofficial" sources are not the reliable kind of coverage needed for an article. You can't back an article with facebook pages, YouTube videos, and the like. It has to be reliable websites, newspapers, magazines, etc. (As an aside, the above is the user's first edit.) Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 20:29, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. If there were reputable local mainstream sources (AJC, TV/radio station websites, newspaper archives, etc.), even just a few of them, that would be enough in my opinion. As Ten Pound Hammer has pointed out, there are not enough credible sources to establish this article. Kamnet (talk) 09:48, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Dlete. WP:NOTNEO, no notability. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 09:41, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.