Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muppet Night Football

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The result was merge to Monday Night Football. consensus has generally shifted towards merging Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 15:25, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Muppet Night Football[edit]

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Not a notable football game. A promotional gimmick in the TV coverage (and references to such in the WP:MILL coverage of the game) doesn't make it notable. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:50, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:50, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Lacks notability per WP:MILL. PAVA11 (talk) 13:49, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Monday Night Football. PAVA11 (talk) 01:22, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fails WP:SPORTSEVENT (Was trying to find this previously but couldn't at the time.) PAVA11 (talk) 14:04, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The Muppets are very notable and their appearance on MNF is notable as seen per the coverage it received from notable sources.Pennsylvania2 (talk) 22:10, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are 8 sources. Three are strictly recaps from notable sources with only passing or no mention of The Muppets. Are Awful Announcing, Primetimer, and Draft Kings notable sources? That's maybe a stretch, and certainly don't establish the game as inherently notable. PAVA11 (talk) 02:34, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

keep yeah it's silly. Yeah it's goofy. Is it a game? Is it a gimmick? Doesn't matter because it passes WP:GNG with significant coverage.--Paul McDonald (talk) 02:38, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How do those sources exceed WP:MILL? There are a few sources from niche-type sites that specifically discuss the event outside of the context of routine sports coverage, but these aren't particularly notable sources. It fails WP:SPORTSEVENT. PAVA11 (talk) 13:53, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:MILL doesn't apply. That essay is about a "...common, everyday, ordinary item that does not stand out from the rest". This event was not common, not everyday, not ordinary and it most certainly stands out. One could also argue that it is not an "item" ...--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:13, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Definitely a silly event, but also definitely an event. Also quite notable for the massive upset that occurred.--Mike Selinker (talk) 06:36, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: If we're looking to apply GNG, deeper analysis of the substantiveness of the sources would be helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde (Talk) 06:48, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seem to recall we have the occasional page on a specific sporting event if the event itself is notable. Perhaps make this a page on the game, with the Muppet angle as a section? Hyperbolick (talk) 07:24, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- That's the thing - the game itself isn't notable, so the argument for notability is solely based on assuming coverage of the Muppets makes it so. PAVA11 (talk) 20:10, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: having Christmas themed events like this with very popular Muppets is the sort of thing families would tune into, together. It's an event, perhaps not the most notable, but a family event nonetheless that should slip in. --Whiteguru (talk) 10:50, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Question. Is there some type of Muppets-related article, like, say, The Muppets in popular culture or something like that where this could be merged/redirected to? Otherwise, I fail to see how this random, otherwise completely ordinary regular season NFL game could possibly be independently notable. I supposed a redirect to List of Monday Night Football results (2010–present) could also be a possibility. Ejgreen77 (talk) 03:41, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- There's also potentially Bengals–Steelers rivalry. PAVA11 (talk) 00:29, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Monday Night Football. This is an episode of MNF, not anything that deserves its own article. -- Mikeblas (talk) 20:37, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Monday Night Football. I encourage everyone to read this source in the article. As it makes clear, this is nothing new, as ESPN does these type of "themed broadcasts" throughout the season. This would be a perfect section for the MNF article, but is not notable enough for its own article. Also, note that three of the sources (DraftKings, PrimerTimer, and AwfulAnnouncing are basically blog posts, while the remaining sources are game summaries that mention the muppets part). « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:26, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or merge - I'd like to see some evidence of some lasting impact this publicity stunt will have. If the game is notable in itself, that's one thing, but to claim notability because they decided to do a tie-in with the Muppets seems a little far-fetched to me. – PeeJay 11:22, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Question you want evidence of "lasting impact" for something that happened less than a month ago?--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:05, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes, why not? If the game was that memorable, surely there would be some indication of that by now, as there was for games like the Minneapolis Miracle. – PeeJay 18:02, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - The Minneapolis Miracle was three years ago. I don't know how to show at least three years worth of impact for an event from less than a month ago.--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:21, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Monday Night Football. Marginal interest, which can easily be covered in the main article. Nigej (talk) 15:46, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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