Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mosul liberation

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Or rather "outcome depends on action on different article". The name issues can be resolved by a move discussion and a merger ought to be discussed on the talk page, but apparently first Battle of Mosul (2016–17) needs to be changed - sometimes that also ought to be discussed on Talk:Battle of Mosul (2016–17) Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:18, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mosul liberation

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Unnecessary WP:CFORK of Battle of Mosul (2016–17); contains little to no useful information which is not already in the main page, and has an implausible title (note that Liberation of Mosul also redirects to the battle page). ansh 666 20:26, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - The parent article is huge, at over 600kb and often you will find notable or in-depth aspects of certain articles split off into a dedicated article, if for instance the content being split is notable in its own right. I feel in this instance, the libration of Mosul was quite a significant event in its own right. Given the size of the parent article, my suggestion would be to rename the article relating to this AfD to something more mainstream (perhaps to Liberation of Mosul by deleting that redirect first), then cleanup this article and amend the parent article to offer a summary only. In fact, the Battle of Mosul article even has a message since May suggesting a content split, so it may be counter-productive and somewhat regressive to delete this article rather than at least trying to first develop it further. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:48, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- The size of the main article comes from the daily action recaps, which are really unnecessary there. If there's anything that should be split off, it would be those, into a "Timeline of..." type article. I don't think the sources distinguish between the battle and liberation enough to justify this separate article, especially considering the majority of those currently in this article are either Iranian propaganda (PressTV) or not even related to the end of the battle (most of them being about the beginning, strangely). ansh 666 22:58, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I believe! I created this article hoping that users working on the parent page would soon join in expanding this one too. I for my part primarily used Iranian sources because they are the sources that I often check as an Iranian. The development was undoubtedly a major one both for Iran and Iraq who organized and supplied the main forces on the ground doing the actual fight, as well as the international community that have been dealing with the ISIS threat for years. The article though can be further expanded by additional sources and analysis. The coverage has been significant as a Google result will tell. Ansh is also raising an apparently valid point; whether the sources distinguish between the liberation and the battle enough. Hmmm just telling from the google results, it seems that they do. But if the parent article can be shortened or split off, maybe let's first do that and then decide whether the liberation page should be merged into that, making it one within a standard size. --Expectant of Light (talk) 02:57, 29 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - At the very least this needs to be renamed. Liberation is POV-pushing (though one most Wiki readers agree with) - possibly reconstruction is better. A year or year range should also be in the name (as this is NOT the first time Mosul has be conquered (or per POV liberated) - it changed hands in the past, even the recent past)). Do we have an article on the wider reconstruction efforts in Iraq following the loss of territory by the Islamic State? Do we have articles, on the city level, for other cities that were conquered as part of a campaign? I don't think we have one for Battle of Stalingrad which is much more significant. We do have articles on the country/region level for post-WWII occupations - but not city level I believe. The size problem in Battle of Mosul (2016–17) should be fixed there (and is underway) - it currently goes into a level of detail inappropriate for an 8 month campaign.Icewhiz (talk) 05:08, 29 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.