Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moneer Musa Elamin

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The result was delete. According to Jogurney, he "seems likely to pass the GNG if someone can access/read Arabic sources." Unfortunately, we cannot assume things. If an Arabic-speaking user translates a passage containing significant coverage of him, I am willing to restore. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 22:02, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Moneer Musa Elamin[edit]

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Doesn't play in a fully professional league. Best claim is that he played in a continental club competition, but it was only one match. Does not appear to pass the GNG. Mkativerata (talk) 09:30, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete no reliable refs and not notable Someone65 (talk) 16:14, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Week keep - He played in at least one CAF Champions League group stage match (see this picture), and seems likely to pass the GNG if someone can access/read Arabic sources. However, I'm not sure we can write much of an article until an Arabic-speaker provides additional detail/sources. Jogurney (talk) 15:16, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Jogurney (talk) 15:18, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per Jogurney; article needs improving, not deleting. Giant Snowman 15:55, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Does not meet the GNG. While it is true that there is some Arabic material on him (Google search), I can only see stats and forums, not significant coverage from reliable sources. Given that Al-Hilal seldom compete in the Champions League, he has just the one claim to fame and is likely to remain a low-profile individual, and therefore also fails WP:BLP1E. —W F C— 11:06, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep has played in a notable continental club competition. Eldumpo (talk) 12:02, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Neither of the unqualified keeps have provided any policy or guideline-based rationale whatsoever. —W F C— 12:34, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 15:54, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may be used to support content in an article, but it is not sufficient to establish notability." Unless raw statistics are now considered to be substantial coverage, this does not meet NFOOTBALL. —W F C— 16:52, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As an aside, he doesn't actually meet the football-specific part of NSPORTS, which calls for participation in a fully professional league or international appearances. But that's more for your benefit than my own, as I actually look at article subjects qualitatively when determining notability. —W F C— 17:09, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, NFOOTBALL is a guideline that creates a presumption, not a guarantee of notability. The presumption should be rebutted for individuals whose only claim to fame is one match in a continental competition and for whom we can find absolutely no coverage in independent sources. --Mkativerata (talk) 18:44, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.