Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moba Genre

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Moba Genre

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There appears to be a lot of discussion on the article's merits on the talk page, but it didn't meet any speedy deletion criteria, so I have listed it here. I have no opinion on it either way to be honest. – B.hotep •talk• 10:30, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 13:07, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. MrKIA11 (talk) 15:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with one of the other MMO articles. The AskMen article seems to be a good source. Not sure about the other two. Might want to check first with WP:VG/RS. SharkD (talk) 22:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and Rename - The genre itself has merits, but the name itself (Multiplayer Online Battle Arena) is a neologism created by a relatively small fanbase. The vast majority of the gaming industry refers to the games as "DOTA-likes", or some other comparison to the game Defense of the Ancients, the first widely successful game in the genre. This is not unlike roguelikes, a specific sub-genre of RPGs that share close similarities to the PC game Rogue. Like I tried to say on the article's talk page, the genre itself has merits, but the name does not. Rwiggum (^Talk/_Contrib) 23:08, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Changing my vote to a Weak Delete. I've done some more research, and while many of the games included in the genre are notable, the genre itself is not yet notable enough for inclusion, I'm sorry to say. The term itself is a neologism, and while there is clearly a devout following for the genre, it isn't quite notable enough yet. Rwiggum (^Talk/_Contrib) 04:54, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - this subject cropped up on Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Requests#May 2009. My comment there was "This is currently a neologism. Phrase has been coined by Tom Cadwell and has only been used in interviews with him with respect to League of Legends. Doesn't seem to have caught on yet.([1], only hit from Google News) Check again in 12 months time." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marasmusine (talk • contribs)
Delete Genres come about due to necessity of comparing like-for-life when existing genres don't cover it, they don't appear just to act as marketing gimmicks, and when they do come about they are slow to reach critical mass. All of the links about this genre are centred on the developers of League of Legends who are peddling the term, WP:NEO applies. When gameplay diverges from genre norm 3 things could happen: 1) the games continue to be labelled as whatever genre(s) they are perceived to have emerged from (no new genre at all, evolution of an existing genre), 2) they become absorbed into one or the other existing genres and get labelled "X genre with Y genre elements" or just "X genre" (a hybrid of existing genres without it being a new genre, or evolution of an existing genre again) or 3) a new genre gradually builds up and becomes recognized. There's zero guarantee that a genre recognized by the gaming press (which is what's needed, in a nutshell) will become adopted at all, and even if it does happen there's no guarantee it will be called DOTA-like or MOBA. The key with a lot of these discussions is the evolution of genre which happens all the time, widely accepted new genres are few and far between. Someone another 18:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.