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The result was delete. There is obviously some media coverage here, but as pointed out by the nom and Delete voters, this article would be far better served if it were recreated with some sources that aren't social media, regardless of their origin. If he really is notable there will be news sources that aren't a minute of him talking on YouTube. Black Kite (talk) 10:14, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mithun Vijay Kumar[edit]

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I don't think he is notable. Most of the sources are Facebook or YouTube video in which he is one of many talking heads in a box. Few sources cover him in detail. Mvqr (talk) 12:04, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Kerala. Shellwood (talk) 12:13, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    He appears regularly on channel discussions and is known personality in this state. Visual media persons mostly have links of verified Youtube and Facebook channels to cite. The links shared are of the most credible sources in this country. Honesteditsvj (talk) 13:28, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A person felicitated by the nation's highest office and a man known for men's rights movement in the state is quite notable. Please search മിഥുന്‍ വിജയകുമാര്‍ in google to know more. Honesteditsvj (talk) 13:41, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
and check the videos for news and debates. Honesteditsvj (talk) 13:43, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Plenty of links to daily news hour debates could be shared if required. Honesteditsvj (talk) 13:45, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And please note that the links shared are of not some random YouTube and Facebook pages but those are satellite channels which simultaneously play their program on their verified social media handles. People who appear mostly on visual media platforms could be cited with such links. Honesteditsvj (talk) 13:47, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Honesteditsvj Instead of stating WP:SOURCESEXIST, you actually need to show us these sources MaxnaCarter (talk) 13:57, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Maxnacarter I've already added those links in the citations. Sharing some of those along with a few more for your reference. Some of the news sources cover the statements he has made and the other videos are related to his discussions on men's rights and other socio-political topics. Also sharing some links to news articles on him
https://navakeralanews.com/medias-keeping-double-standard-accuses-mentoo-member/
https://youtu.be/HQj_fVke_Rc
https://www.trueseconds.in/news/mithun-vijayakumar-says-those-who-speak-against-vijaybabu-are-forgetting-the-solar-case/
https://youtu.be/l3aW1z44oyg
https://fb.watch/djxhjGMwuN/
https://youtu.be/JydtWthqP4E
https://fb.watch/dhUqgYJj1R/
https://newsindiamalayalam.com/2022/04/20/mt-ramesh-facebook-post/ (News covering a campaign he ran against an extremist outfit which received massive response on Change.org (https://www.change.org/p/ban-pfi-before-it-matures-into-a-fully-functional-terrorist-organization-banpfi-bansdpi)
https://www.trueseconds.in/news/mithun-vijayakumar-says-those-who-speak-against-vijaybabu-are-forgetting-the-solar-case/
https://youtu.be/WGQOccjDN9Q
https://fb.watch/d7rTB_EWh6/
https://youtu.be/ec5RKEW4_eE (news covering his facebook post)
https://jagratha.live/ladies-kerala-vjiaybabu-kerala-attack/?amp=1
https://keralaspeaks.news/?p=45850
https://navakeralanews.com/medias-keeping-double-standard-accuses-mentoo-member/
https://notionpress.com/author/mithun_vijay_kumar (author bio on publisher page)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYU0XKWQhWI (debate where he represented right wing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHueMvnVtIo (video published on government of India's citizen engagement portal MyGov on him)
https://janashabdham.in/05/11/2021/16608/ (news on his book release)
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=4920549421396144 (prime time debate on a leading regional channel)
Are these sufficient to verify the claims I've made about this author and activist? Honesteditsvj (talk) 19:58, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 13:53, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Here are the links to his book on top online stores such as Walmart and Amazon
    https://www.walmart.com/ip/Covid-A-Glimpse-into-the-Lives-That-COVID-Shattered-Paperback-9781685866570/394540131?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0
    https://www.amazon.com/Covid-Glimpse-Lives-Shattered-Malayalam/dp/1685866573
    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/covid-mithun-vijay-kumar/1140938328
    https://wordery.com/covid-mithun-vijay-kumar-9781685866570
    https://www.booktopia.com.au/covid-mithun-vijay-kumar/book/9781685866570.html
    https://francieandfinch.indielite.org/book/9781685866570 Honesteditsvj (talk) 20:18, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    These book sites hold nearly every book ever published. This is a 70 page self published book through self-publisher Notion Press. It doesn't even have a single customer review on Amazon.--Mvqr (talk) 14:20, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You conveniently ignored the media links discussing about the person or where the person is found having news debates on sensational topics of the day. Did you check only the book site links out of all the links shared, because that would support your point? You noticed there aren't any customer reviews but why don't you notice the support he receives under the Youtube channels of almost every regional media? In your first comment, you mentioned these are just some Youtube channels and Facebook pages, but those are not just some page but the live streaming pages of Satellite channels. I can agree we all have a point but let's be open enough for an objective review. If you are hell bent on deleting this, please feel free to. I rest my defence! Honesteditsvj (talk) 18:00, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    And above all, you conveniently ignored that this person is honored for his contributions by the highest office of his country. Honesteditsvj (talk) 18:04, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • information Info - Note to closer for soft deletion: This nomination has had limited participation and falls within the standards set for lack of quorum. There are no previous AfD discussions, undeletions, or current redirects and no previous PRODs have been located. This nomination may be eligible for soft deletion at the end of its 7-day listing.
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--Cewbot (talk) 00:02, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:24, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article meets all the criteria underscoring the notability factor. A person felicitated by the prime minister for being a star performer on the citizen engagement portal. A Men's rights activist with a good following. A person with a regular presence on TV channel discussions on socio-political issues and men's rights in particular. All the regular news channel debate links and other news links have been submitted already in the previous discussion thread. Honesteditsvj (talk) 19:49, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But he has no mentions in reliable third-party sources that support notability. Most of the sources given above are non-notable, some are spammy links. Oaktree b (talk) 02:15, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure which links you have checked. Just listing out a few out of the links given in citation. None of the links are spammy, please do not make incorrect statements.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlkYl99OZdc (please do a google search and find out what Zee news is)
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=4920549421396144 (Check out what Manorama News is)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHueMvnVtIo (Please learn a bit about MyGov of India)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYU0XKWQhWI (Please check Reporter News) Honesteditsvj (talk) 11:56, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: It would be nice to see a serious consideration of these video sources from media organizations. For example? Are they all interviews or do some consider any influence he has on the region?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:26, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment – A total nightmare for those of us ignorant of Malayalam. @Honesteditsyj: Would you be willing to translate what the host says about the subject in the introduction of [1] (i.e., how she introduces him)? Ovinus (talk) 05:50, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi, most of the channel discussions introduce him as a men's rights activist or author. 171.49.216.102 (talk) 07:38, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete When a book doesn't even merit an Amazon review, you're in the weeds. "A person felicitated by the nation's highest office" sounds nice, though. Fails WP:GNG, WP:NAUTHOR. Should possibly be an article in Malayalam Wikipedia. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:28, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    His notability is not as the best selling author of this century but as an activist and debater. A person feliticated by the nation's highest office sounds good but fails in what manner? The YouTube link of the government's channel itself isn't valid enough is it? Honesteditsvj (talk) 13:54, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment page after page of non-notable sources isn't helping the situation. Three youtube links and a facebook post, which aren't reliable sources. We've asked for better sources and the quality has gone down in what's being provided. Further proof this is a non-notable subject. Oaktree b (talk) 12:13, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It's quite unfortunate that Malayalam satellite channel links are not considered as reliable sources by the reviewers. Submit a lot of links and the response is page after page of non-notable sources. Submit a few links from top channels and the response is just 3 youtube links and a facebook post from non reliable sources. It's actually funny that the links of the top-most channels with high TRPs are considered non-reliable. Today I was going through the Wiki page of the most popular south indian actress Nayanthara. Even her biography needs additional citations for verification lol. Would simply call this the poor fate of South Indians. Please go ahead and delete the page sir because whatever I may submit no matter whether it's from the government source or from the satellite channel you'd call 'non-reliable'. Honesteditsvj (talk) 14:00, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's really not helping to lament the fate of the poor South Indian. Got a nice feature article from Malayala Manorama about his impact on society, have you? Now THAT would count towards notability. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:04, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Since you wanted an article from Malayala Manorama, here's it. An article about him in published by Malayala Manorama in 2014 when he first became the part of MyGov. Hope this counts towards notability as mentioned by you.
https://scontent.fccj3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.18169-9/10409759_324770037710407_5378668989770617381_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=2c4854&_nc_ohc=KwHEiuWqTeYAX93AYBP&tn=lguqUIppaocFtfm0&_nc_ht=scontent.fccj3-1.fna&oh=00_AT_WyBryfHDa7OZNKQoCWG3HfkB0RcZjr5eDxzhL2vjVZg&oe=62CD59C3
Hope you wouldn't ask me to share the entire newspaper! Honesteditsvj (talk) 16:58, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And yes this article clearly talks about his impact on the society! Honesteditsvj (talk) 16:59, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Highly Notable. Here's a link from today's debate involving the issue of actor Vinayakan in which his opinion was sought by leading news channels. A person who's opinions are sought by news channels on social issues on a day-to-day basis is certainly a notable person.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1023247578299040&extid=NS-UNK-UNK-UNK-AN_GK0T-GK1C&ref=sharing (stressing that it's not some random facebook link as some of the reviewers were labeling the facebook links used to cite popularity. It's a link of a satellite news channel as all other links mentioned previously.
The reviewers asked for news articles in Malayala Manorama regarding his social contributions and the same has also been shared. in the previous comments. 103.154.54.190 (talk) 17:19, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Facebook pages are not sources. And a NIB in Malayala Manorama is not a 'nice feature'. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 03:59, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
High visibility and notability: Please understand that TV channel shows, interviews and debates can only be accessed through the Facebook pages or YouTube channels of these respective channels and these are verified news platforms. You don't get a feature article in Malayala Manorama (one of the newspaers with highest readership) by simply walking into their office and asking them to write an article on you. The article in Manorama speaks about the person's contribution in building the citizen engagement portal launched by the prime minister, his experience, etc., and if that's not a "nice feature" what else is?? Sorry to say, it's a very poor assessment by you! 103.151.189.76 (talk) 06:28, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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