Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miranda Borman

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:43, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Miranda Borman[edit]

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This is an article about a non-notable actress who appeared on Doctor Who in a very minor role when she was a child. It is not clear that the similarly named person in the sole poor quality source is even the same one. Regardless, does not meet basic notability standards. Option 16 (talk) 14:02, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I am a hair's breadth away from outright deleting this myself, it is so troublesome. Researching, I found no trustworthy source of any biographical material at all, and a Wikipedia administrator discovering in 2012, only a few months before this article was written, that xe had been approached by a hoaxer impersonating this subject as had other administrators. This leads to one of my more unusual rationales: per 23skidoo and Josiah Rowe, delete. Uncle G (talk) 08:58, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-notable one-off actress. Fails WP:BIO. ♟♙ (talk) 16:17, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. To be fair, her IMDb profile lists a couple more roles than just Doctor Who itself — but they're both still one-off minor appearances, not major leading roles, so they still don't make a difference here. At any rate, the notability test for an actress is not just the ability to list one or more roles and offlink to an IMDb profile: it is the ability to show that she passes WP:GNG on reliable source media coverage about her performances: arts and entertainment reportage about her, reviews of the shows or films which single her performance out for dedicated attention, notable award nominations, etc. But there are no references being cited here at all, and having an IMDb page is not an automatic notability freebie in and of itself.
And even the content that's been stripped from the article doesn't make a difference, either: the Music Theatre Guild of Victoria award, for local community theatre productions in Melbourne, is not a notability-making award — that status goes to things like the Oscars, the BAFTAs, the Emmys and the Tonys, not just to every single local community theatre acting award that exists on earth, and the only source for it was the theatre's own self-published website about itself, rather than real media coverage about the awards. And no source present in the article even verified the assertion that the British Doctor Who actress and the Australian community theatre actress are even the same person in the first place: we don't just take article subjects' own word for this kind of thing, especially when there are open questions about whether the person soliciting an article about themselves is even really the article subject in the first place, if there are no published reliable sources to verify it.
Having a Wikipedia article is not an entitlement: getting in the door depends on the person's depth of sourceability, not just on being able to provide technical verification that they exist. Bearcat (talk) 14:15, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually the purported subject has not given xyr word on this and that is not a verified Twitter account anyway nor is it connected to a Wikipedia account. I do not believe that the article subject(s) is(are) even involved here, as it seems neither do the Wikipedia administrators who were discussing this in 2012. Uncle G (talk) 13:42, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment User:Paul Benjamin Austin, who created this article, has admitted to impersonating Miranda Borman. I assume this admission covers both the [[REDACTED - Oshwah] off-wiki impersonation] as well as the on-wiki creation and use of User:Miranda Borman. Option 16 (talk) 21:41, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the issue here goes back to Wikipedia is not an IMDb mirror. Not every person who had credited roles in TV or film is notable. The actual guidelines is multiple significant roles in notable productions. However even this is supposed to reflect the fact that this is an easy proxy for "we can find significatn published coverage of them in 3rd party sources if we search" as Bearcat mentioned above. The unsourced attempts to link two very different careers with nothing showing it is the same person would fall flat, even if the local theatre award was nothing even close to showing notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:15, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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