Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Minako Hamano (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Jayjg ^(talk) 22:40, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Minako Hamano[edit]

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Recreated article that has not addressed any of the problems for which it was deleted a mere week ago: Not a single reliable and independent source with non-trivial coverage. The only information on the subject itself, her birth date and the date of birth, are unsourced. The rest is a verbose version of composition and arrangement credits half of which are bogus (no Hamano Metroid music on Video Games Live CD or in any Play: A Video Game Symphony concerts), and reception of the games citing sources without page numbers or evidence of Hamano even being mentioned. Prime Blue (talk) 01:14, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. —Prime Blue (talk) 01:20, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Information included in the article is standard for establishing the notability of living composers. 1) Her work has been credited on notable media. 2) Her music has been performed by notable musicians and orchestras internationally. 3) Her work has received reviews in industry sources, including published books and magazines. Date and place of birth is not usually sourced unless there are conflicting references. Other information on her personal life is unnecessary and might be considered an invasion of privacy. Pkeets (talk) 02:50, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is not inherent: Just because a game she composed music for is notable does not mean she herself is notable. She still does not fulfill the criteria of WP:COMPOSER and there hasn't been a single reliable independent source with non-trivial coverage added since the last delete, which is a prerequisite for any article on Wikipedia. You try to justify the lack of biographical information with invasion of privacy, but the fact of the matter is that you can't provide any sources – which was the reason why the article was deleted by Spartaz. And the sources you did add can't possibly justify this article: A single sentence on the music of Metroid Prime 3 buried in a review, a comment by a fan arranger, and the inclusion of Super Metroid in a "top games" list. You even worded one of these references as if it specifically addressed the soundtrack as her work, when in fact she didn't even get a mention. Prime Blue (talk) 03:35, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The reviews are specific to soundtracks for which she is credited. If I write a magazine article discussing the work Boléro or Tubular Bells, it's not necessary to name the composer because the work itself is well-known. What kind of biographical information are you expecting other than what's given in the article? Pkeets (talk) 03:58, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry if my comments offended you. Background on her upbringing, musical education, how she got involved with game music and came to work at Nintendo would go a long way of expanding the biographical information. Anything that is actually sourced would be a start, but most importantly, as said before, reliable independent sources with non-trivial coverage are needed. Prime Blue (talk) 04:17, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Not seeing sufficient in-depth coverage to satisfy the notability criteria. Blogs and other wiki sites used as reference sources just don't count, I'm afraid. --DAJF (talk) 05:05, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Check her qualifications against WP:COMPOSER.Pkeets (talk) 06:53, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Could this be relisted for further discussion when the Prod runs out? I don't see many people checking in here. Pkeets (talk) 20:52, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- She CLEARLY is notable, when one considers the number of official releases her music has been featured on (which, granted, isn't all of those -- all the ones in the 'featured on' list are fan made discs. But the white and yellow in the disography are official). ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 03:12, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

CD releases or number of CD releases are not part of the composer notability criteria, though. And she still fails the general notability criteria. Prime Blue (talk) 12:28, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Really? Did that change from some time ago? Super Metroid Sound in Action (as well as the two Orchestral Game Concert discs) are on Sony too. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 14:46, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:51, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete: although notability is asserted, I'm seeing hints of WP:SYN and other issues with this article that brings the topic into question.— fcsuper^{(How's That?, That's How!)} _{(Exclusionistic Immediatist )}— 20:51, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding guidelines for information in biographies of living persons: WP:BLP. Her accomplishments (as noted by Melodia) should be sufficient. Pkeets (talk) 06:15, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Which paragraph are you referring to? Prime Blue (talk) 11:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The "Presumption in favor of privacy". Pkeets (talk) 05:30, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I meant the paragraph, not the section. I don't understand what passage you were referring to when you brought it up. Prime Blue (talk) 15:26, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This paragraph, for example, regarding previous requests for the inclusion of more personal information in the article, and for primary sources such as interviews:

Privacy of personal information and using primary sources With identity theft on the rise, people increasingly regard their full names and dates of birth as private...See above regarding the misuse of primary sources to obtain personal information about subjects.

Again, the subject's accomplishments should be sufficient as the basis for an article. Pkeets (talk) 05:29, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. per nom and DAJF. Would be willing to change my view if any solid info emerges. --Klein zach 09:42, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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