Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Military history of Wales

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:40, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Military history of Wales[edit]

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This article is a POVfork of Welsh history articles. If there is a primary subject of Welsh military history, this is not it. Wales has never had its own standing army and this article mixes Celtic history, then the English conquest, then revolts, then British history and finally Welsh regiments in the world wars. At the very least WP:TNT applies.

Article content is entirely copied from other articles, and per discussion on the talk page, [1] it is badly done. Referencing is inconsistent and often broken. No information willl be lost if this article is deleted as it is all in other articles.

Considered WP:BLAR but not at all clear what the primary topic would be for a redirect. Thus I favour deletion, but redirect would be fine if editors can find consensus for a target. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:33, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History and Wales. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:33, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - my feeling is that the topic is likely notable (there are books written about it) but the current page needs WP:TNT for reasons described above. Possibly someone eventually could write a properly sourced article containing different information from other related pages, but this isn't it.

Fwiw I don't agree that the topic is invalid because some of the history occurred before Wales was a nation. JMWt (talk) 09:08, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: It looks like it should blow it up and start it again, and also, it like a POV fork. CastJared (talk) 11:00, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A pointless article cut and pasted from existing history articles. DeCausa (talk) 12:49, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete For the purpose of WP:TNT --TheInsatiableOne (talk) 13:04, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the nominator and JMWt. This article doesn't present us with anything new and is a content fork of other articles. Wales has a history of battle and conquest but that is covered in History of Wales. We also have Armed forces in Wales and Wales in the World Wars which cover more recent, specific topics. The article was draftified because of the problems, the origonal 'author' copied a large chunk from another cpontent fork article and re-pubished it. I don't believe draftifying it will yield any significant improvement or re-write. Sionk (talk) 13:44, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and check for cleanup of linked articles. Some of the previously renamed/redirected/deleted POVfork copy/paste articles still have wikilinks from the articles they have been copied from which can be removed or changed, in this case though it seems to be mainly linked through {{History of Wales}}. EdwardUK (talk) 14:25, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I can support a delete via Wikipedia:Blow it up and start over with an aim to use sources that are relevant that avoids copy-edits. Titus Gold (talk) 22:21, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:TNT. Contains a massive amount of personal analysis and dubious claims. Partofthemachine (talk) 00:57, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I do not understand much of the reasoning given here. The claim that "Wales has never had its own standing army" isn't the least bit relevant. And of course the article should be redundant. Many high level articles ought to be 90%+ redundant to sub-articles. The topic is certainly notable. There is a monograph by Sean Davies, War and Society in Medieval Wales, 633-1283: Welsh Military Institutions. It is probably more of a problem that our history of Wales article is so dominated by military history. I say redirect to History of Wales for now. Srnec (talk) 15:46, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, WP:TNT can apply as it may be a notable topic if re-written better or just made into a list like some other "Military history of" articles. But the existing article is largely copy-pasted. Dank Jae 15:29, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.