Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mike Sullivan (ice hockey, born 1973)

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 13:23, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Sullivan (ice hockey, born 1973)[edit]

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fails WP:NHOCKEY Joeykai (talk) 22:47, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Another in Dolovis' multi-hundred player stable of NN hockey article creations, this one is even shakier than most; he had a single starring season in the mid-minors, but not enough to win any league accolades. Fails WP:NHOCKEY, a search for news sources turned up zip that would qualify for the GNG. Ravenswing 15:02, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
270 appearances at professional level, or is "professional" supposed to be (or the equivalent of) semi-professional for at least some of these teams and leagues? In association football one appearance at fully professional level is enough for notability. Peter James (talk) 22:27, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: Not quite; as does the footy WikiProject, the hockey WikiProject maintains a list of leagues (WP:NHOCKEY/LA) detailing which leagues satisfy the various criteria of NHOCKEY, and playing in the ECHL no more certifies notability than does playing in the English National League, however much a number of its teams are indeed professional. A player at the subject's level needs to have "[a]chieved preeminent honors in a lower minor or major junior league (all-time top ten career scorer or First Team All-Star)" to gain presumptive notability. In any event, the "fully professional" nomenclature is an unfortunate artifact of NSPORTS criteria going back to WP:NATHLETE, serving well neither the many areas of amateur sport where practitioners routinely meet the GNG, or the many levels where athletes do get paid but come no nearer the GNG than the "fully professional" auto mechanic on the corner. Ravenswing 01:44, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Ravenswing. Fails WP:NHOCKEY and I found little coverage; admittedly I may have missed some coverage that is buried among the more famous hockey Mike Sullivan but if there is any the creator should have included some in the article. Rlendog (talk) 23:39, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as there's still nothing for actual convincing independent notability. SwisterTwister talk 21:57, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.