Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael J.K. Choi

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. MBisanz ^talk 23:40, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Michael J.K. Choi

It was previously (repeatedly) speedy-deleted due to notability issues. Now that he's making some assertions of notability.... Well, here's the thing. The whole page is essentially an advertisement/PR piece, as it only contains links for this singer (Michael Choi) and his friend/business partner (Robert Lee Taylor). Its references are MySpace pages and blogs. None of his recent work is exactly notable (music on a website, a future documentary?), so notability hinges on his past...of which there is very little information. After some research, I found his discography on a Korean album directory site, so he did release albums in Korea. Looking for his Korean name in Google reveals results, but after glancing through them, very few of them have to do with this singer. So basically, there are notability and verifiability issues.

Please note that this article has been repeatedly created by the same user. SKS2K6 (talk) 18:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral comment. Perhaps creation protection is in order. KuyaBriBri^Talk 19:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as non notable just having released an album doesn't bestow notability but sales figure would if they had sold enough. No secondary sources and MySpace is far from a reliable source. If secondary sources can be found I will change my opinion. BigDunc^Talk 19:05, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See my comment below on the sales figure. 130K is pretty trivial for the English-speaking market, but is considerable for the Korean market. TJRC (talk) 22:36, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. —PC78 (talk) 00:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Question: My Korean language skills are non-existent. Can anyone tell me what label he released on? I'm trying to determine if he meets WP:MUSIC criterion 5. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The discography page lists "아세아" (A-seh-a) Records. Whether that stands for Asia or ASEA or what, I don't know. The page creator notes that he signed with Sony, so I tried searching ASEA with Sony Entertainment (thinking it was A___ Sony Entertainment Asia), and came up with nothing. Even if it was with Sony, the fact that there are no reliable sources kinda makes things difficult. SKS2K6 (talk) 17:24, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 16:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Week keep. I'd like to see some more substantial sources on this; but sales of 130,000 records (although I realize that's spread over 6 albums) is pretty substantial for the Korean market, and to me meets the notability requirements. The band S.E.S. (group) was a superstar group by Korean standards, and their top-selling album, Love, sold only 700,000; that's the top-selling album by one of Korea's top-selling pop groups. 130K is not too shabby in light of that. I wonder of this 최진경 is the same as the bandmember listed in ko:두번째_달 on the Korean wikipedia. I'm guessing no. TJRC (talk) 22:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:I do agree with your reasoning, but we don't have a source for that number, either. And therein lies the problem. SKS2K6 (talk) 00:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yup. It's all about the sourcing. That's why my keep is weak. Without wishing to increase the already-formal formality of Wikipedia procedures, I almost wish there was a "probation" we could put this on: the article is probationally kept, with the proviso that it will be subject to WP:SPEEDY if no reliable sources are provided within 30 days. I'd like to give the guy a chance to fix it, if it's fixable. TJRC (talk) 00:18, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.