Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Doroquez
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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 08:50, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)
Middle school teacher. Non-notable.--Nabla 01:07, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)
- Delete - Not notable. Just a middle school teacher. --Chill Pill Bill 01:15, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, because a line must be drawn somewhere, and a voice must be raised to the teeming hordes who seek to cross this line, and that voice must say, "You shall not pass!!!" -- BD2412 talk 01:42, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)
- Comment - I guess the teeming hordes weren't enough aware of the line crossed. The stub would have been expanded to an article of reasonable length that meant something to hundreds of people. But if you guys still feel that violates the deletion policy's "Wikipedia is not a general knowledge base" clause, it's ultimately your call. The one favor I ask is that you let the redlinks stand, so that if the subject becomes article-worthy, the name will still be available. Article author, wikinick 03:28, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Sorry if I came across harshly there, but there are over 6 billion people on the planet, and if we add all those who have come and gone, we probably top 9 billion. If Wikipedia had an article on every person, it would be an unmanageable, unsearchable mess - so we draw notability lines that limit us to perhaps a few dozen thousands of persons. Sounds like a lot, but it's really a tiny proportion of the whole. Also, what redlinks? Nothing links here except the redirect that you made from "Mr. D" - which is hardly an appropriate redirect, because there's very little chance the average user typing in Mr. D will expect this result. -- BD2412 talk 03:50, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)
- Comment – I agree that 9 billion biographical stubs would be a mess, but perhaps you'll allow me to point out that Wikipedia's a still just a six-thousandth of that size. And certainly not every article has meaning to dozens of thousands of people. For example, lots of the data-generated articles for small municipalities wouldn't qualify. Take Maza, North Dakota. Home to five people. Or an article about Astley Cooper Key, lifted from the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica and edited twice, once minor. Dozens of thousands? Doesn't seem like it. Now, I'm not saying that my article fits your notability criteria, I know it doesn't. But I had always felt that one of the coolest things about Wikipedia was that it really seemed like what ever subject I wanted to learn about, no matter how obscure, there might be an entry for it. Maybe that's not feasible, but even impossible ideals can be worth pursuing. About the redlinks, I guess I didn't use the term correctly. All I meant was to ask for the article name to be left available, even if the current article is deleted. That way, if the subject ever does reach his notability quota, he can still have an article. As for the redirect, its appropriateness I won't contest, but remember there wouldn't be many users typing in "Mr. D" at all. It's a common nickname of the subject, and not used anywhere else on the site, so I created the redirect without realizing the rigid standards under which one may create new pages. That's just stating my reasoning; I'm not saying it was valid. Last but not least, don't worry about seeming harsh. According to the Guide to VFD, the people frequenting it "may seem terse, gruff, and abrupt, but that is not actually the case." wikinick 10:08, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Comment - Mr. Key was First Sea Lord - being in charge of the Royal Navy is an inherent claim to notability. Being a middle school teacher isn't. --FCYTravis 19:39, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Comment – I agree that 9 billion biographical stubs would be a mess, but perhaps you'll allow me to point out that Wikipedia's a still just a six-thousandth of that size. And certainly not every article has meaning to dozens of thousands of people. For example, lots of the data-generated articles for small municipalities wouldn't qualify. Take Maza, North Dakota. Home to five people. Or an article about Astley Cooper Key, lifted from the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica and edited twice, once minor. Dozens of thousands? Doesn't seem like it. Now, I'm not saying that my article fits your notability criteria, I know it doesn't. But I had always felt that one of the coolest things about Wikipedia was that it really seemed like what ever subject I wanted to learn about, no matter how obscure, there might be an entry for it. Maybe that's not feasible, but even impossible ideals can be worth pursuing. About the redlinks, I guess I didn't use the term correctly. All I meant was to ask for the article name to be left available, even if the current article is deleted. That way, if the subject ever does reach his notability quota, he can still have an article. As for the redirect, its appropriateness I won't contest, but remember there wouldn't be many users typing in "Mr. D" at all. It's a common nickname of the subject, and not used anywhere else on the site, so I created the redirect without realizing the rigid standards under which one may create new pages. That's just stating my reasoning; I'm not saying it was valid. Last but not least, don't worry about seeming harsh. According to the Guide to VFD, the people frequenting it "may seem terse, gruff, and abrupt, but that is not actually the case." wikinick 10:08, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Sorry if I came across harshly there, but there are over 6 billion people on the planet, and if we add all those who have come and gone, we probably top 9 billion. If Wikipedia had an article on every person, it would be an unmanageable, unsearchable mess - so we draw notability lines that limit us to perhaps a few dozen thousands of persons. Sounds like a lot, but it's really a tiny proportion of the whole. Also, what redlinks? Nothing links here except the redirect that you made from "Mr. D" - which is hardly an appropriate redirect, because there's very little chance the average user typing in Mr. D will expect this result. -- BD2412 talk 03:50, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)
- Delete, do not leave a redlink, as Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Wikipedia is not Google, it's an encyclopedia, therefore don't expect it to contain everything - some selection is required. Average Earthman 06:08, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Delete non notable. JamesBurns 06:16, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Comment, I really have to ask: If every school that has ever existed is notable, why isn't ever teacher who has ever existed? RickK 07:29, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
- Excellent question. Perhaps you'd be willing to explain exactly what would be wrong with a short piece about every teacher who has ever existed? Perhaps you could focus on the harm it would do? Don't work yourself up over it, Rick. Purely rhetorical questions. Grace Note 05:46, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- That beats me too, RickK. Example, this stub: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinkaid_School. It links to Houston and Texas and nothing else. wikinick 10:08, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Hmmm so if every village deserves an article in wikipedia, so does every villageperson... never thought of it that way. Kappa 23:58, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Please delete. Wikipedia is not a census. Jasonglchu 14:40, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. This is not a census. — Chameleon 20:15, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Keep and allow for organic expansion. If all schools are worth keeping, then so are all teachers. --Carnildo 23:27, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. He is a grade 6/7 Math teacher. Nothing else can be verified. DoubleBlue (Talk) 23:51, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Delete I really wanted to do a speedy on this one, but could not see a valid reason. If this article is deleted, also Delete the redirect for Mr. D. Vegaswikian 04:53, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Comment: Should this article be deleted, the redirect at Mr. D will be a speedy as it redirects to a non-existent article. DoubleBlue (Talk) 20:56, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. I liked many of my teachers too, but I would not be silly enough to write articles about them in an encyclopedia. Indrian 03:36, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
- I agree that the article was inappropriate. But then, kindly discuss the article, and not how silly the author may have been. wikinick 05:10, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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