Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Bodhi Green

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The result was delete. JForget 23:24, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Bodhi Green

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There is no indication in the article, and I have found none by searching, e.g. Google Scholar, that this University lecturer is notable to the standard of WP:PROF, or anything like it. Delete. JohnCD (talk) 21:10, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. —JohnCD (talk) 21:26, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. What the hell, he has a Bachelors and two Masters, all of them from ASU... that's academic career suicide. Yet another prof entry for someone who doesn't even have a doctorate. Five of the seven items in his bibliography were published in the same ASU publication, another is from a magazine. One actually does seem to be from a literary journal, although he has appears to have zero hits in Google scholar. Not notable. Hairhorn (talk) 21:26, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Expanding on Hairhorn's observation, Marginalia, the venue of most of his publications, is not actually an archival journal, but rather a "magazine that features news about Piper Center for Creative Writing programs, items that promote the ASU MFA program and alumni, and community engagement" (from the Arizona State University website). In other words, it's a standard university public relations circular. His book is "in its final stages of revision..." (from the article), i.e. it's not published. The article is essentially all WP:PUFF. A no-brainer delete, I'm afraid. Could have just gone directly to prod. Respectfully, Agricola44 (talk) 22:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC).[reply]
Delete. I can't see even a claim to notability here (phrases like "gives a yearly talk to the local film club" don't exactly help). Wouldn't this qualify for speedy deletion under WP:CSD#A7 as "an article about a real person… that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant"? Qwfp (talk) 22:41, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. While I agree with Hairhorn to some extent on the problematic nature of his lack of connection with anywhere but ASU, an MFA is a terminal degree that can be an appropriate substitute for a doctorate in a performance-based field. Since his work is on film-making rather than film criticism, that would fit. The same reasoning would imply that we should be using WP:CREATIVE rather than WP:PROF to evaluate his case, and ask: how famous is he for his writing? Is he notable as a screenwriter or novelist? The answer appears to be no. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:18, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that MFAs can be terminal degrees in fine arts fields, although that is less and less true. There are more and more PhD programs in Fine Arts ( and even more in Communications, which is where he's working). Many of his departmental colleagues have doctorates. Hairhorn (talk) 21:10, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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