Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mher Khachatryan (artist) (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Tone 12:56, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mher Khachatryan (artist)[edit]

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Second time for AfD for this subject who failed notability in 2017, and I don't think much has changed. There are suspect references (that went nowhere) to an "ArtPrize". Article is a long list of his exhibitions, so there is also a COI issue here. Britishfinance (talk) 17:35, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Qualitist (talk) 19:00, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. Qualitist (talk) 19:00, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Qualitist (talk) 19:00, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the sourcing is poor, and nothing more found in a search. Most RS are about a single "artprize" exhibition. There's no breadth of sourcing here nor in-depth items that would allow me to easily extract the notability of the artist.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 20:04, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (Author) I admit that the article was previously deleted due to lack of media coverage. However, the artist and his works have presently been covered in several places by the worldwide media such as Metro (British newspaper), Booth newspapers, VZZM, Agos (Armenian newspaper), Golos armeni (Russian newspaper). It definitely meets WP:GNG.-VishalSuryavanshi89 (talk) 15:39, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as the sourcing is poor, and the public vote at ArtPrize is not enough to cover notability in and of itself. Also, I recognize at least one vanity gallery in the list of exhibitions. [1][2][3]. --Theredproject (talk) 21:39, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, DannyS712 (talk) 00:05, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment (Author). I have added some of his popular artworks information which makes him more notable. Also added more RS media from leading publications.VishalSuryavanshi89 (talk) 15:37, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, while there's issues with the overall source quality and inclusion of unnecessary content, the Metro [4] and Golos Armenii [5] articles include significant coverage. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 21:07, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Metro UK is not an RS source - it is very low grade (I would delete it as a source in a BLP). Can't speak to the other source as it is in a different language, but doesn't seem much better.Britishfinance (talk) 21:55, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Noted on Metro, I was unaware of that. I'm not particularly familiar with Golos Armenii, but they clearly have a public editorial staff [6] and don't appear to have any obvious editorial problems, which means that for uncontroversial subjects like artist bios they should be considered reliable. It also seems like at least one Armenian-language source that has been provided [7] has some coverage and may be reliable. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 22:28, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Golos Armenii is also not an RS (would never merit a WP article). This is a 3rd nomination for an artist with WP:COI, WP:SOCK, and WP:PROMO issues. We should have at least a major RS from a significant newspaper, tv network, independent book, chapter in an independent book etc. All we have are scraps from un-notable websites or free newspapers in the London Underground. He needs a WP article to get notability (and it relentless in pursuit of it). It should be the other way around? Britishfinance (talk) 11:52, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:44, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Mher is well known for his painting dedicated to Armenian genocide. His work is widely published in several art magazines and newspapers. Collection of his paintings can be found in several gallerias and museums in USA. His initiative Art To Thank is widely appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:4900:1724:6D34:4193:4FBA:EC64:E3A9 (talk) 12:33, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. There is no reference to him in the WP Armenian genocide article; nor can I find any significant independent RS making such as statement regarding such a painting.Britishfinance (talk) 21:59, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Artist who has clearly distinguished himself in his field --5.170.38.11 (talk) 21:43, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Can you provide a reference for that (we seem to be getting a wave of IP-editors). Britishfinance (talk) 21:51, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, I already voted above, but I was able to find this additional Russian-language piece [8], which also appears to be an RS, although it also cites the Metro UK piece. I'm unable to search effectively in Armenian, but I would be shocked if there wasn't additional RS coverage in the language, given the coverage in Russian-language Armenian media. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 22:28, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Remember, this subject has been largely based in the U.S. since circa 2000. There is virtually no coverage in any U.S. media. I found a Grand River Rapids radio station article discussing his work [9]. Metro is a junk publication in the U.K. and not suitable for WP (the Daily Mail would be way above it, and that is saying something). For an artist who spends a lot of his time in the U.S., he is a ghost. Britishfinance (talk) 22:33, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: as Britishfinance notes, there's definitely whiffs of UPE here, and SPAs seem to love this AfD. Much of the coverage appears to be incidental on the Metro coverage and per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Metro, it's unreliable. SITH (talk) 09:44, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note to closers. Read this AfD carefully. 3rd time this article re-appeared on WP (deleted twice before). Issues of WP:COI, WP:SOCK and WP:PROMO. All "keeps" bar one are IP-editors/author. Rosguill has provided some references, but any reading of them shows that they are not clear RS. There is no RS from a significant newspaper, tv network, independent book, or chapter in an independent book on this subject. Nothing; nor has there ever been in past AfDs. Subject needs WP to get notability – it should be the other way around. Britishfinance (talk) 11:57, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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