Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Meng Bo

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The result was delete. Aside from the question of whether Wikipedia:WikiProject Mixed martial arts/MMA notability needs to be updated, the consensus is that a) it is not currently satisfied. Also, I see that that page is not actually a guideline at all, and people have called for deletion on the basis of WP:GNG which is actually a guideline as well. So delete this is. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:20, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Meng Bo[edit]

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Subject is a mixed martial arts fighter. Fails WP:MMABIO and WP:GNG . Subject has yet to fight in any top tier promotion, no major achievements of any other martial arts discipline and sources primary are routine sport report. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 07:20, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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"Subject has yet to fight in any top tier promotion" We keep coming back to this argument, haha, and there is no other objective way anyone can look at ONE Championship and say it isn't a top tier organization. The MMA notability guidelines need to be seriously updated in this regard as some of the criteria are woefully, extremely outdated. I respect all the Wikipedia editors, but it's clear there is a lack of expert knowledge on this subject and it's hurting the worldwide scope of the sport. Meng Bo is also the only fighter to defeat current UFC champion Weili Zhang. Readers are going to be curious about who beat her, and they can (as of now) click and learn about Meng Bo - someone who is currently actively competing for another top tier martial arts organization - by virtue of Wikipedia. To me, that seems like it fits the goal of what Wikipedia is about. Meng Bo also has several bouts in China's Glory of Heroes promotion which has a Wiki page touting its place in the MMA-sphere. This attempt at exclusion does nothing to enhance potential visitor's experience on Wikipedia, it only hurts it by sticking to extremely outdated criteria that has been argued against repeatedly with no motion forward. We all have the same goal of improving Wikipedia, and that is very difficult to do when there is not an attempt to revise criteria for a worldwide sport and its athletes that compete across the globe. ACCBiggz (talk) 07:32, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: ACCBiggz. Greetings. ONE Championship has never been a top tier promoter - pls see WP:MMANOT and the WP:MMABIO - MMA fighter notability guidelines. Be be a top tier promoter, at least 3 fighters of the organisation is on top 10 of their respective weight class worldwide for at least one year and if the requirements if the promoter will drop back to teir 2 if such such requirements are not fulfilled. Bo/subject is ranked #85 for strawweight - see [HERE. A MMA fighter needs to have at least 3 fights under top tier promotion such as UFC to meet WP:MMABIO. I encourage you to read all the info and sub pages of WP:MMA to familiar with the MMA notability in Wikipedia. The win over Zhang was Zhang first lost and only lost on their MMA fight back in 2013 which is 6 years ago where the fight was on a local promotion circuit- that definitely does not qualify of the subject qualify any notability requirements in Wikipedia just as Igor Egorov won the fight against Zabit Magomedsharipov, the only lost of Magomedsharipov at ProFC 47 a local Russain event, does not make Egorov notable in Wikipedia. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 07:51, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Subject of the articles fails WP:GNG and WP:MMABIO NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 07:54, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: And we keep coming back to the blatant fact that you are utilizing extremely outdated definitions for what makes a top tier promotion. This is something that I have brought up on the Wikiproject page suggesting we eliminate these rankings. I understand that you are following them to a tee, but that's the issue. When you blindly follow such clearly out-dated guidelines you do nothing but hurt the end product. If you wanted to classify ONE Championship as a top tier promoter (which it undoubtedly is in the eyes of anyone with knowledge of the sport outside of using these nonsensical guidelines that are rooted in non-expert and/or biased voting sites) and say that Meng needs two more bouts in the company... I'd cede and wait. But Wiki shows Glory of Heroes where she has extensive experience and ONE Championship, where she currently fights. There should be nothing holding her back from getting a page on Wikipedia. Stringent guidelines are great... except when they are extremely outdated and have little to no relevance in today's sport. ACCBiggz (talk) 08:01, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: ACCBiggz, We, the Wikipedia MMA regular editors, do understand and follow MMA sport. I have been a follower of the sport for more than 10 years, practice some Muay Thai and BJJ and had the pleasure of watching ONE championship event live 2 times. Glory of Heroes is not only not a top tier promotion but not even a second tier promoter. Not only a fighter needs to fight at least 3 fights in top tier promotion such as UFC to meet the MMABIO notability guidelines for if they only have one or two fights under UFC, they will not consider meeting the requirements needed. ONE championship has not been a top tier promoter so even even if Bo have 10 fights under the ONE Championship, she will not be considered notable in Wikipedia. You might want to publish Bo info in other media/outlets. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 07:22, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete as per WP:GNG in-depth significant coverage of the subject is required Celestina007 (talk) 14:58, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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