Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Melvin Coombs (2nd nomination)
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 02:26, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
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Fails WP:VICTIM. Also can not be solved by simply renaming to Murder of Melvin Coombs. The murder itself fails WP:EVENTCRIT.4meter4 (talk) 02:23, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Non-notable individual dying under unclear circumstances, the other person was not guilty. I'm not seeing notability. A simple natural death. Oaktree b (talk) 02:30, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Dance, Crime, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 06:52, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Notability not found. Xxanthippe (talk) 09:23, 11 January 2025 (UTC).
- Comment: I don’t know why WP:VICTIM is being invoked here because that very clearly is not the claim to notability? While he is not notable as a murder victim and the murder itself is not notable, The claim to notability is of him as a Native American dancer. That he happened to be killed doesn’t seem to be the notability claim (not mentioned in the lead, little to none of the article is about it). We should be evaluating off NBASIC or GNG. The sources in the last AfD aren’t nothing, but eh. While being murdered doesn’t make a non notable person notable, just the same being murdered does not make a notable person NOT notable PARAKANYAA (talk) 17:58, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- @PARAKANYAA That's because the sources don't support notability in a different context. There aren't any sources with significant coverage about him as a dancer or educator. The one source pre-death used mentions the subject as participating at the Quinnehtukqut Rendezvous & Native American Festival and then gives a brief passing interview with the subject about the festival, but this is neither in-depth nor significant and arguably not independent as its an interview about a different topic. All of the sources where he is the primary subject involve him as a victim and occur after his death. The "Melvin Coombs is not forgotten" piece is primarily about a grand jury, and while it mentions what he did in other contexts, it is clearly a memorial piece about his killing. We would have to see coverage external to coverage of his death and the subsequent court cases to prove notability outside his death, and that just isn't the case. The sources don't exist. As such WP:VICTIM is the cogent policy which tells us he isn't notable because of this lack of sourcing external to his death. 4meter4 (talk) 18:22, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- @4meter4 I’m not saying the other sources are enough for notability in any context (I have not checked yet which is why I haven’t voted) but it’s strange to me to use the rationale when it’s not the claim to notability. Will check later and then vote (from what I’m seeing I assume my vote will be delete but I am away from the computer at the moment lol) PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:30, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- @PARAKANYAA That's because the sources don't support notability in a different context. There aren't any sources with significant coverage about him as a dancer or educator. The one source pre-death used mentions the subject as participating at the Quinnehtukqut Rendezvous & Native American Festival and then gives a brief passing interview with the subject about the festival, but this is neither in-depth nor significant and arguably not independent as its an interview about a different topic. All of the sources where he is the primary subject involve him as a victim and occur after his death. The "Melvin Coombs is not forgotten" piece is primarily about a grand jury, and while it mentions what he did in other contexts, it is clearly a memorial piece about his killing. We would have to see coverage external to coverage of his death and the subsequent court cases to prove notability outside his death, and that just isn't the case. The sources don't exist. As such WP:VICTIM is the cogent policy which tells us he isn't notable because of this lack of sourcing external to his death. 4meter4 (talk) 18:22, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete after checking for sources, little outside of local coverage, even right when it happened, and what local coverage is there is not particularly extensive. The search was quite annoying because this is not a rare name, but I could not find much, though there were some prior hits it was not helpful. As the nominator states the crime is not notable either. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:09, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
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