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The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:10, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

May Zune Win[edit]

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Fails GNG. Couldn't find a single source with her Burmese name. Under May Zune Win, there were a handful of mentions in passing, at times quoted as the "owner of a travel agency". PK650 (talk) 22:01, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • No, those aren't solid sources. A single paragraph in a "top ten blogger" article is not significant coverage. PK650 (talk) 22:36, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, not single source The Myanmar Times' "Top Ten" is an annual poll. I think there is sufficient evidence.Idolmm (talk) 03:04, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Annual polls have no bearing over notability. Please read WP:GNG. PK650 (talk) 21:39, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I disagre because mmtimes top 10 lists is very significant list in Myanmar because selected 10 people from the whole country (not only mentions in passing). Other countries have also released top lists and it grant notability criteria on Wikipedia. Idolmm (talk) 07:11, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think you've read either WP:SIGCOV or WP:RELIABLE as was suggested. A short paragraph on a "top-10" list boasting she has 400,00 followers and urging readers to follow her on Facebook does not fulfill either. You should also understand that other stuff existing on Wikipedia is not a valid argument to keep the article. Best, PK650 (talk) 22:23, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I already read all Wikipedia policies, I’m an experienced editor of Wikipedia Myanmar Project. Burmese editors are not active on english wikipedia. I'm only one active user currently and trying to keep Myanmar related articles when they are notable. I see you joined wikipedia recently and only focus on AFDs! All No case was made for deletion and it will would hard to make one as well. What is the community value of these unresearched AfDs? Idolmm (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:25, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Are you accusing me of not doing due diligence? That is a serious accusation and I expect you would have strong evidence for such a claim? You are in fact mistaken, as I have created several articles (none of which have been deleted), and am involved in other tasks outside AfD. As for the latter, the number of discussions where my !vote has matched the result is over 90%. You would appreciate I thoroughly research my deletion nominations before submitting them if you actually knew how to search, but I suspect an editor who doesn't even know how to sign their own comments wouldn't know how to do so. Best, PK650 (talk) 22:37, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is a fair point by PK650; this was not an irrational AfD and more digging, especially using her nickname (and Burmese nickname) was needed. This is a positive aspect of AfD – poorly sourced articles get better sourced in a more "intense" review. There should be no accusation here and that comment should be stuck Idolmm. I think we have materially improved this article via the AfD process now. thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 22:53, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as a prominent travel blogger who organise country's first "ASEAN Media Bloggers Familiarization Trip". May Zune Win is the first travel blogger in my country and helped develop the travel blogging field. And more, she also ranked 1st on annual poll of The Myanmar Times' "Top 10 Travel Bloggers" (her field) and another one "Top 10 Bloggers" (all blogging fields). But, the Myanmar Travel Influencer Award doesn't seem like a notable award to grant her notability. Thanks Win Zaw Oo (talk) 07:51, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • If she's such a prominent blogger why is there no significant coverage about her? Annual polls don't mean anything on Wikipedia. Neither do Influencer Awards, nor "ASEAN Media Bloggers Familiarization" trips. PK650 (talk) 21:38, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do wonder if we are doing her justice here as I can really only search en-WP sources - I can't even google the burmese-lang source provided by putting in her burmese-lang name; I notice that many of the Burma BLPs have thinner en-lang referencing. I think being a top 10 overall blogger in 2019 by one of the most established RS in a country of 50 million is something. Britishfinance (talk) 01:16, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Alas, I did my due diligence. I found one article from a reliable secondary source (Myanmar Times), but, I was unable to find multiple reliable secondary sources with significant coverage. Perhaps it is WP:TOOSOON for May Zune Win in English Wikipedia. Missvain (talk) 06:23, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Missvain, Thanks for your one source, the article is now improved with many coverage. Idolmm (talk) 12:28, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I added a few more refs (including the one by Missvain above from the The Myanmar Times), and one from The Irrawaddy (which confirms she did win the 2017 Influencer of Year Award for travel), and tidyied up. Borderline case, but mindful that I can only see en-sources (e.g. her bio details come from local-lang sources); always mindful of this issue in these cases. She also makes the main overall Top 10 Blogger list in 2019 in a country of over 50m people? Going to dig a bit more here. Britishfinance (talk) 23:11, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks to Britishfinance for adding new references and improved the article. Idolmm (talk) 09:27, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I fail to see how a completely arbitrary top-10 article is any indication of notability for Wikipedia. I could be in the top-10 "organic carrot farmer" list from the Washington Post, and I wouldn't even dream of considering myself notable for Wikipedia if there was no extensive coverage about me. How is this even being considered significant coverage in reliable sources? PK650 (talk) 22:37, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (article creator) Sorry for late, I have been traveling and missed to check Wikipedia. I've created the article because I believed she pass the WP:GNG and is most notable among Burmese travel bloggers. She also listed on The Myanmar Times Top 10 Blogger list in 2019 in a country of over 50M people, which she established notability throughout Myanmar. For now, I found some coverage of her in reliable Burmese major newspapers see [3], [4], search with just her nickname မမေဇွန် ကို (Ma May Zon). I've added to the article. Cheers ~~ Shin Khant Maung (talk) 07:34, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi bro Shin Khant Maung, Greetings... nice to see you again! Finally you found the language sources with her short name “မမေဇွန် ကို”. Thank you very much for finding sources. I tried to find sources with her full name “မေဇွန်ဝင်း” on Google but nothing came up. Idolmm (talk) 09:34, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Using her Burmese nickname gives more sources, and this interview [5] in The Irrawaddy is much more like WP:SIGCOV (which is important for a BLP). Google translate is not great for Burmese-script, however, there is now enough here now for a Keep. She is clearly a notable figure in a developing country with over 50 million people. Britishfinance (talk) 10:34, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I think the article needs more reliable sources to provide WP:SIGCOV. Ninja✮Strikers «☎» 15:00, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Hi - the Irrawaddy is an English language publication. There are probably better non-English sources out there, but it is the most popular English language publication. Missvain (talk) 17:41, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep: She meets WP:GNG, has some prominent sources from Myanmar newspapers. From any Myanmar bio, we cannot expect too many sources that reliable, but clearly May Zune Win deserves a place on Wikipedia. Shashanksinghvi334 (talk) 06:37, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I see that see she passes WP:GNG, and has enough press mentions in Burmese. Just because someone has more press mentions in English than Burmese doesn't mean that he or she fails GNG. Ambrosiawater (talk) 20:06, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep She meets WP:GNG she gets coverage in Burmese news. Wm335td (talk) 18:40, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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