Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matsuricon (2nd nomination)

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The result was no consensus. —Darkwind (talk) 06:35, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Matsuricon[edit]

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Limited coverage by reliable and independent sources. Esw01407 (talk) 01:24, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Can any sources be found here? [1] - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:18, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find anything worth mentioning, mostly press releases and sites that would most likely not meet notability. Esw01407 (talk) 13:43, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - In my books I see minor mentions, MatsuriCon is listed by name and website on a single page divided into four regions of the United States (and 1 in Canada). The two pages contain 33 conventions and Matsuricon is one of six conventions listed in the central region. This can be found on page 210 of Understanding Manga and Anime by Brenner. People within the anime industry also frequent the event and have some small journalism as a result, but while the individual page is of borderline to questionable notability the conventions themselves are pages that are difficult to work on. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 13:12, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can you find and cite the book? A mention in a book is notable, depends on what it is though. I would like more secondary sources on this and so far have found nothing newsworthy. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:32, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have added the book Understanding Manga and Anime, which is what I like User:ChrisGualtieri is referring to. Kyuukurochan (talk) 04:21, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is not much of a note, but it is one of the few cons listed. I'd say the mere mention over other lesser cons says something, but that is my personal belief. The more popular conventions are listed there and most small (even 1000+ visitors) are not listed.ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:53, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - More sources have been added from the Columbus Dispatch citations following the addition of the section on the "Distant Worlds" event of 2012. - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyuukurochan (talk • contribs) 03:02, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like what you added ([2]) is a press release. Press releases just say what and when the event is, but does not go into a detailed chat about the subject. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:22, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete - Based on what I have seen so far I do not see any reliable non press release sources covering the event. AnimeCons.com is a primary source, animecons.com just talks about the guests (As opposed to the convention its-self) and the Columbus Dispatch is a press release. Im not sure what the Columbus Monthy is and would reconsider pending a citation of a book of some sort as mentioned above. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:31, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Columbus Dispatch is a third party newspaper column in Columbus, OH. It is a source listed on the sister convention Ohayocon and had been deemed a useful source. Columbus Monthly is also owned by them. Kyuukurochan (talk) 03:55, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OSE @ Ohayocon. It might be posted by a newspaper, but it very much looks like a press release, it has no coverage from the convention. Esw01407 (talk) 20:47, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Source Question - I know that this source has been offered after a search, but I'm not sure about the newsworthy aspect of it, though it does cover the event. http://www.alltasteexplosion.com/?p=3071 Kyuukurochan (talk) 03:41, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This appears to be a fan source and I do not believe would meet being a reliable source. Esw01407 (talk) 20:47, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It may not be the best damn source, but we need sources of any type here. "Matsuricon teamed up with popular Final Fantasy concert, “Distant Worlds”" COME ON! That's really big. It has had special guests like "Cathy Weseluck, best known as Spike the Dragon from “My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!”" This is notability, this provides context, this is a reason for its inclusion. More sources like this are bound to exist, whether or not they reach New York Times level is irrelevant, it gives a reason why it is notable. After all, how many places get an international and special orchestra visit from Nobuo Uematsu's "Distant Worlds"? ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can't really agree with your reasoning, why lower Wikipedia's standard for one page? Other conventions have no problems getting the bare minimum of sources that provide adequate information. Nobuo Uematsu has appeared at US conventions eight times, so it's not exactly rare (According to animecons.com). Esw01407 (talk) 13:24, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 22:05, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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