Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mathias Hellström

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The result was delete‎ . ✗plicit 00:40, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mathias Hellström[edit]

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Fails GNG, SIGCOV and BASIC. Has only played one match on tour and lost it; does not fit other criteria of NTENNIS. Timothytyy (talk) 12:41, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Tennis, and Sweden. Timothytyy (talk) 12:41, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete While he did play one ATP Tour match, seems it's all that happened sadly. Low peak ranking, no challenger wins, no junior GS wins. Couldn't find much in my searches (cited Swedish source in the Wiki article is a WP:ROUTINE match recap), if anything I'm getting more results for a businessman with the same name! Fails WP:GNG. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 11:40, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Soft Keep While I don't disagree that the overall significance and accomplishments of this former player are quite muted, he does meet the standard guidelines set out for a notable tennis sportsperson by having competed in that one ATP-level match back in 2004. If this page were to be deleted, it sets a precedent that does not align with the guidelines, thus the guidelines should be ammended as well. mcburk 22:39, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Mcburk, NSPORT was significantly revised after a 2022 RfC that showed consensus for just the kind of amendment you suggest. There was a community consensus that simply meeting the NSPORT criteria is explicitly insufficient to presume notability. Compliance with the GNG is specifically required. I recommend reading the FAQ at the top of NSPORT to get a better understanding of what the guideline actually says. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 10:29, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 02:06, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There should be no amends to NTENNIS, because it's still a great notability indicator. But just like any other, it's bound for situations like this one. A majority of players that played at least 1 ATP/WTA match are more likely than not to continue to play more of those and eventually get all the significant secondary coverage they need. No such thing here. Wikipedia:Notability (sports)/FAQ (NTENNIS is a part of the global sports guideline) says "The topic-specific notability guidelines described on this page do not replace the general notability guideline. They are intended only to stop an article from being quickly deleted when there is very strong reason to believe that significant, independent, non-routine, non-promotional secondary coverage from multiple reliable sources is available, given sufficient time to locate it. Wikipedia's standard for including an article about a given person is not based on whether or not they have attained certain achievements, but on whether or not the person has received appropriate coverage in reliable sources, in accordance with the general notability guideline. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 21:38, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per lack of SIGCOV. No coverage has even been suggested. JoelleJay (talk) 00:35, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - failing WP:GNG far more critical here than a technical passing of WP:NTENNIS Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:38, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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