Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matchbox (song)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was keep. -- ( drini's vandalproof page ☎ ) 04:08, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The Beatles are surely the most influential group in rock history (and I love them to death) but is every single song they did inherently notable? Especially this: a cover and a B-side, completely unexpandable. StarryEyes 02:30, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as nominator StarryEyes 02:31, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. "Unexpandable", huh? - see if you like my rewrite. Notable in that John, Ringo, and Pete Best all sang lead at different times for the Beatles. The song also has a long blues history which i've only briefly touched on. (as for "is every song they did inherently notable?"- if they sneezed it was inherently notable!) Grutness...wha? 03:08, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I am impressed by your informative expansion of the article from a substub to its current form. I do stand by the AfD nomination, however, because I think the criteria for the inclusion of individual songs in an encyclopedia must involve extraordinary cultural impact (beyond "the Beatles did it"). I still don't think "Matchbox" cuts it, despite its long and colorful history. "Blue Suede Shoes", yes, "I Want To Hold Your Hand", yes, "Matchbox", no. StarryEyes 03:27, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Maybe it isn't a particularly notable Beatles song but it is a notable rockabilly/early rock and roll recording. 23skidoo 03:29, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I am impressed by your informative expansion of the article from a substub to its current form. I do stand by the AfD nomination, however, because I think the criteria for the inclusion of individual songs in an encyclopedia must involve extraordinary cultural impact (beyond "the Beatles did it"). I still don't think "Matchbox" cuts it, despite its long and colorful history. "Blue Suede Shoes", yes, "I Want To Hold Your Hand", yes, "Matchbox", no. StarryEyes 03:27, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep however needs a slight rewrite because the article is supposed to be about the song, and it was a Carl Perkins classic long before the Beatles touched it. I'll do a bit of work on it now. I agree with Grutness that Beatles recordings are inherently notable, however when creating articles on cover versions they did, care must be taken to discuss the history of the song before the Beatles did it. 23skidoo 03:14, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I was hoping someone would do that - good work 23. All my info was from several Beatles encyclopaedias (which, understandably, concentrated on their versions). Grutness...wha? 05:43, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep rewritten version by Grutness and 23skidoo and kudos to them for the rewrite. Capitalistroadster 03:26, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, Beatles song. Kappa 04:33, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, b-side songs and covers by highly notable bands who've proven to affect music for a significant period of time, can be notable on their own, provided encyclopedic info can be written. It still needs sourcing, but by this idea, the song qualifies. - Mgm|(talk) 11:48, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I'm ambivalent about the encyclopedic nature of B-sides performed by notable bands, but this would be notable as a Carl Perkins song even if the Beatles hadn't ever touched it. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 11:55, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep in agreement with A Man in Black. Bonus to Grutness and 23skidoo. Barno 14:25, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, as usual, no deletion required. Trollderella 16:07, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep all songs recorded by the Beatles are inherently notable. Fg2 03:13, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep all songs recorded by the Beatles are inherently notable. Klonimus 05:29, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Beatles should not be the holy cow of Wikipedia. Grue 14:18, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- What about as one of Carl Perkins's classics? The Beatules were covering it because it was already a noted song. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 21:53, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, I didn't even read the article :) I just disagree with the previous two votes. Grue 07:33, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Please, please, please, please, please read the article first. I find myself disagreeing with some voters freqeunly, too, but it's important to not let that get in the way of business on AFD. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 11:09, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, I didn't even read the article :) I just disagree with the previous two votes. Grue 07:33, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- What about as one of Carl Perkins's classics? The Beatules were covering it because it was already a noted song. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 21:53, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.