Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marta Urzúa

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The "keep" opinions are weak: the first is merely an ad hominem, the second is all about WP:WAX. Sandstein 08:08, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Marta Urzúa[edit]

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non-notable politician, sits in the town-council of a small commune in rural Chile. Does not pass Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Politicians. Sietecolores (talk) 06:29, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:56, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Chile-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:56, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This nomination is full of bias: "small commune in rural Chile". Nothing else needs to be said. --Diego Grez-Cañete (talk) 20:57, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest potential commenters (and User:Vrac) to consider that much of the material that may serve as reference for this article is offline. Since I don't have the time to add the material myself, I suggest Chilean or Spanish-language editors to review content from the El Cóndor, Pichilemu and El Expreso de la Costa newspapers. I may provide some press clipping to whoever interested, there is material on Urzúa and I believe they pass the notability guidelines for politicians. --Diego Grez-Cañete (talk) 01:20, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Much more would be needed to be said to save the article from deletion since it does not pass notability tests for politicians. I suggest Diego Grez takes this content to his own webpage Memoriapichilemina. -Sietecolores (talk) 10:23, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You should stop your uncivil behavior, Sietecolores, and start putting out real reasons, and not just stupid accusations. Diego Grez-Cañete (talk) 01:20, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: as local politician fails WP:NPOL.Vrac (talk) 16:27, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Searched Google and Google News for ("marta urzua" pichilemu). Found lots of passing mentions of Urzua in Spanish-language press, but no in-depth coverage. According to the WP article, Pichilemu has a population of 13,000; as a council member from a city of this size with no in-depth media coverage, Urzua fails WP:POLITICIAN. — Ammodramus (talk) 13:28, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per WP:NPOL criteria #2 and #3, there appear to be at least three sources for the article, and I suggest that Spanish-language editors take a look at Chilean sources. The town may officially be small, but it apparently is a resort community, potential for systemic bias here (woman, third world, etc.) is significant. Further, there appears to be a precedent of these council members having WP articles, dating back at least to 2010, see: Category:Pichilemu City Council members. There is a surprising amount of information on Pichilemu here, see Portal:Pichilemu and Template:Pichilemu. I know nothing about this community nor its status in Chile, but seems that with articles on 36 mayors, a portal and a template, we either have notability or at least notoriety. Keep. Montanabw ^(talk) 04:51, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. No Urzua does not pass criteria #2 and #3 she has very limited coverage by Chilean newspapers (see here for example) and sources for the article are 2 government-related sites showing election results and the municipal website. That is not coverage that confer notability. And point #3 says "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability". The issue is crystal-clear. –Sietecolores (talk) 10:53, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - a long list of other councilors who held the same office have articles on Wikipedia, why are they notable but not she? Other councilors of the same community listed on her page: Aldo Polanco, Roberto Córdova, Juan Cornejo, Viviana Parraguez, Andrea Aranda, Patricio Morales, and Pichilemu political controversies#Víctor Rojas - Ogress _smash! 16:36, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

comment It doesn't matter how many but whether. --Keysanger (talk) 12:33, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nominate all of them for deletion, right now, a textbook example of WP:OTHERSTUFF: "You cannot make a convincing argument based solely on whether other articles do, or do not, exist; because there is nothing stopping anyone from creating any article.". Kraxler (talk) 17:05, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:NPOL, town councillors of small towns are not inherently notable, and coverage of this and the other town councillors who have articles here, is limited to their little hometown. Kraxler (talk) 17:05, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete an article without any encyclopedic relevance. --Keysanger (talk) 12:31, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Person received 179 votes is not enough to make them notable on anythingmore than a township scale IMO. Collect (talk) 18:02, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:NPOL, comment note that sources from El Expreso de la Costa are not independent as the article creator works there. see Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard/Archive_75#Memoria_Pichilemina 78.149.122.149 (talk) 05:44, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't the sources be independent from the subject they cover? Diego Grez-Cañete (talk) 13:43, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The creator of the article should be independent of the subject. Kraxler (talk) 19:56, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see where there's a COI problem or a failure of independence here. As far as I know, it hasn't been established that El Expreso de la Costa or this article's creator has a significant connection to Urzúa.

Questions might legitimately be raised about the reliability of the source, if El Expreso is a very small paper at which the article's creator, as employee, is subject to very little fact-checking or other overview. Per WP:NEWSORG, "News reporting from less-established outlets is generally considered less reliable for statements of fact." However, I think we should presume reliability unless there's a reason to suspect otherwise.

I question, however, whether coverage by a local media outlet can confer notability on a figure of only local importance. Although WP:GEOSCOPE refers to events rather than persons, the principle merits more general application. Without such a standard to exclude purely local coverage, we could establish notability for every small-town mayor, council member, and high-school wrestling coach in the United States alone. WP:POLITICIAN seems to set such a standard: while pols holding lesser offices, e.g. Kim Davis (county clerk), may indeed be notable, we should presume that they're not unless this notability has been established by sources beyond local ones. —Ammodramus (talk) 23:18, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per the fact that the sources show she is notable, it could use some fixing though SuperCarnivore591 (talk) 04:17, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.