Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Okoye II

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Consensus is he doesn't quite meet notability. If a redirect target evolves, happy to provide the history but that isn't currently the case. Star Mississippi 03:43, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Okoye II

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Possible self-promotion, NO RS indicating notability of Okoye. NiftyyyNofteeeee (talk) 10:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and Nigeria. Shellwood (talk) 11:04, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, the article is definitely resume like, promotional and full of spam links, but the subject may be notable - this article has significant coverage. SailingInABathTub ~~🛁~~ 00:20, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 12:34, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect I'd perhaps redirect to Ananbra State, appears to be a functionary in the state's government. Oaktree b (talk) 15:11, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Government official. That means notability. There might not be a lot of press around him, but by virtue of his position and for the record to be kept on Wikipedia, it’s a strong keep. I think sometimes we forget that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a popularity contest. Amaekuma (talk) 19:23, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete. On the one hand, there is real coverage of this guy, possibly enough for a presumption of notability under NBASIC, although the sources for state-level Nigerian politics can be a bit challenging to evaluate. Not all fluff, either. And his status as a young commissioner who had to wait two years for a full appointment due to age restrictions is significant in the context of age restriction reforms in Nigerian politics. A pity he didn't end up running in the 2023 federal elections, as a win there would have resolved the matter. (He was endorsed by the party but wasn't on the ballot, for which I can't seem to find a clear explanation.)
On the other hand: this article and the three previously created-and-speedied versions at Mark Okoye show a strong pattern of promotional abuse, which I think should be taken into account in an otherwise somewhat borderline case like this, and especially when evaluating whether sources are likely to themselves represent some form of promotional abuse.
As to WP:ATD, I am not seeing a plausible redirect target. There doesn't seem to be a logical place to mention him as a former commissioner in the Anambra article. If we had an article on ANSIPPA that might work a little better as a target. I initially leaned toward draftification, but on reflection I think any future article might be better off starting fresh.
In sum, applying the rules flexibly in view of both our encyclopedic purpose and the central importance of being able to provide neutral coverage, particularly where living people are concerned, I am not convinced that an encyclopedic article on this subject is viable at this time. -- Visviva (talk) 03:13, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am genuinely baffled how you come to the conclusion that a national publication's 500+-word non-interview article directly on someone's accomplishments that details his win as "Africa's Young Person of the Year" isn't SIGCOV, and yet 3-4 sentences kludged together from a couple utterly routine local news reports on a low-level footballer is a GNG pass??! JoelleJay (talk) 00:17, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
JoelleJay, let’s try to not get off topic. Comments should stick to the merits of Okoye’s article only, not other users’ opinions of unrelated utterly routine local news reports on a low-level footballer.Frank Anchor 02:44, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, I concur with Visviva's very good assessment of the situation. The original author has been WP:INDEF'ed, adding to the case that this is just another attempt at self-promotion, and also making draftifying pointless. Mark Okoye was WP:SALTed so this article would seem to be an attempt to circumvent page creation protection. SailingInABathTub ~~🛁~~ 09:10, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.