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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 04:56, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Bego

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Delete: Fails WP:GNG and appears to be WP:SPIP. He appears to be a prolific writer of unauthorized biographies of pop music figures. However, I can't find any books or articles about him that are WP:Reliable sources. Mitchumch (talk) 21:44, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 23:36, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 23:37, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 23:37, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I see no sign of notability; his NYTimes best-seller was a book on Leonardo DiCaprio at the height of Titanic-mania that doesn't appear to have received coverage on its own. I've removed the worst self-promotional bits from the article. Power~enwiki (talk) 06:14, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep I have added the "authority control" template which (thanks to the people who updated the Wikidata entry) shows that (some of) Bego's books have been translated in various languages (French, German, Japanese...) At least two of his books have been reviewed in the Washington Post (Aretha Joni). I also have a newspaper article in Portuguese. A New York Times bestselling author (Michael Leonardo) whose books are reviewed in the Washington Post and are translated in French, German and Japanese and about whom O Globo writes an article is obviously notable. Thanks and regards, Biwom (talk) 15:17, 1 June 2017 (UTC) Amended, Biwom (talk) 18:38, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment For the record, I want to note that this editor removed my Wikipedia:Articles for deletion template on 12:33, 21 April 2016‎, several hours after I posted it. The edit summary stated, "unPRODing - wrong template??? - anyway, blatantly passes WP:AUTHOR and easily WP:GNG, look here: http://oglobo.globo.com/cultura/mark-bego-lanca-biografia-de-whitney-houston-no-brasil-8365199" Mitchumch (talk) 18:56, 4 June 2017‎ (UTC)[reply]
Hello. As your diff above clearly shows, I did not remove an WP:AfD template, I removed a WP:PROD template. These are 2 very different things. Also, please make a habit of signing your comments. And avoid referring to other logged-in users as "this editor". I am Biwom, not "this editor". Thanks and regards, Biwom (talk) 07:58, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Biwom: Thanks. I wasn't aware I didn't sign my comment. Your also right, you only removed the WP:PROD template. Sorry about that. Mitchumch (talk) 08:15, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 09:59, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 09:38, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep largely per Biwom. Two NY Times bestsellers + two book reviews by independent reliable secondary sources is sufficient to ring the WP:N bell. Note: I had previously closed this discussion as a Keep based on Biwom's compelling rational. However following discussion on my talk page and out of an abundance of caution I decided to re-open the discussion. That said, I do concur with the nom that the article needs some heavy editing to tone down the promotionalism. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:53, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 18:05, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Biwom: @Ad Orientem: The Wikipedia guideline WP:AUTHOR in the Wikipedia:Notability (people) applies to Mark Bego. Of the four conditions outlined to determine notability of an author, #3 is most applicable. It states,

"The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews."

Thus far, there is not a single independent and notable work - not a book, film, or television series - that focuses primarirly upon Bego, a book by Bego, or the entire collective works of Bego presented in this discussion or article page. And there has not been multiple independent periodical articles or reviews for the collective works by Bego or for a single work by Bego presented in this discussion or article page.

Here are my observations about the citations listed in this discussion and article page given to support existence of article:

This discussion

In this discussion about Bego, there are 8 citations:

  • French translation of book: An entry in the Bibliothèque nationale de France (BnF) library catalogue is not a source to determine notability of Bego or his works.
  • German translation of book: An entry in the Deutsche Nationalbibliothek (DNB) library catalogue is not a source to determine notability of Bego or his works.
  • Japanese translation of book: An entry in the WorldCat library catalogue is not a source to determine notability of Bego or his works.
  • Washington Post book reviews:
    • Aretha: A single book review for Aretha Franklin: The Queen of Soul that is one-of-two books in review.
    • Joni: A single book review for Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now that is the primary subject of review.
  • The O Globo newspaper article in Portuguese (Here is English translation): I have no idea if O Globo is a WP:Reliable source. This article appears to be the only source that focuses attention on Bego and not solely upon a book.
  • New York Times best sellers list:
    • Michael: A single book Michael! on a best sellers list is not a source to determine notability of Bego.
    • Leonardo: A single book Leonardo Dicaprio: Romantic Hero on a best sellers list is not a source to determine notability of Bego.
Article page

On the article about Bego, there are 7 citations based on 6 different sources:

Comment: I removed non-WP:Reliable sources and deadlinks. The two remaining citations are a NYT best seller listing and a book review where Bego's book is not the primary book being reviewed. Mitchumch (talk) 15:22, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- the subject is a prolific author of unauthorised biographies, but somewhat surprisingly does not appear to be notable. I could not find use of his works by others. For example, Aretha Franklin : the queen of soul is held by 1,782 (!) WorldCat member libraries worldwide, but must be just pulp. On a side note, the article is promotional in tone so add WP:ADVOCACY to the mix. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:34, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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