Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marjon Lambriks

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn no more outstanding delete votes, I am also convinced therefore withdraw nomination. (non-admin closure) McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 01:24, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Marjon Lambriks

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Article about a opera singer who has been active for a long time apparently she retired in 2009 and now has come out of retirement. I can only find what seem to be press releases about her return to singing. Admittedly i was using a translator to read the hits I did find. Nothing came up predating 2009, I even checked other language Wikipedias and all articles about her only contain the same external links which do not prove notability. I believe she fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 22:53, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Couldn't you at least wait until the article is no longer tagged "in use"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:00, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There was 2 hours between the only edit and nomination. They author still has 7 days to prove notability and work on the article. The other articles this one was translated from are in no better place then this. The tag does not protect from scrutiny and I did try to see if I could find one reliable source to support anything. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 23:14, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why the author? I believe in collaboration. Opera Nederland, Vienna State Opera, AllMusic, Traviata, book. Enough for me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:26, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you notify project opera, for an opera singer? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:28, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kutsch/Riemens - bedtime for me, - I suggest you withdraw the nom. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:33, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am not seeing enough here to reach the inclusion criteria, admittedly I can't verify anything about the two books you linked to. There is no requirements to notify projects especially since most are dead, you are free to notify them if you are so worried about it. I appreciate your suggestion however I will allow the consensus to form. Have a good night. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 23:49, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The article is now decently sourced, thanks also to Ktin. Kindly withdraw the nomination. A singer who participated in a recording which has an article, imagine! - I didn't even know such a thing exists. I'll go out no, and hope not to have to do further notifications - wasting more people's time - when I return. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:39, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - or at least let it incubate while the article is in development. The citations found by Gerda Arendt are enough to convince me that she's notable. Netherzone (talk) 23:47, 8 November 2020 (UTC) Additional comment: A 255-page biography was written on her 40-year career. I've added a sentence about this to the article + citation. I'm pretty certain that qualifies as in-depth coverage. Netherzone (talk) 14:12, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As is the sources are extremely trivial and not reliable or in-depth. AllMusic doesn't even seem to have review's of her work. Whatever the case about incubating the article, the sources are what they are and in this case they are clearly lacking. There's zero point in doing this all over again in a few days with the only difference being that the sources provided Gerda Arendt are in the article. I'm fine changing my vote if multiple reviews of her work materialize or in-depth coverage in reliable sources can be found about her though. --Adamant1 (talk) 06:40, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We don't vote, but stick to sources and arguments. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:39, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously. The point was that I change my "arguments" to keep. I'm just not that worried about specific wording at this point. Vote, argument, justification, whatever. It doesn't really matter what you call it in the discussion. As long as "it" (whatever that is) is reasonable. --Adamant1 (talk) 22:13, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Adamant1: She is in Großes Sängerlexikon (Biographical Dictionary of Singers) which means she clearly passes WP:BIO. That, combined with the 255-page biographic book writen on her constitutes indepth coverage. Netherzone (talk) 14:42, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think her being in a dictionary automatically makes her pass WP:BIO. Least of which because the depth of coverage in the dictionary matters, but also for other reasons. I'm fine with saying the book helps, but there needs to be something else in-depth along with it. Since there's "lots of older material online" I'm sure more can be found. --Adamant1 (talk) 22:13, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Adamant1, thanks for your note, and sorry for my typo, I meant to link to WP:ANYBIO, she meets criteria #3. One does not have to meet all three criteria. In the AfD's on visual artists (that I often participate in) if an artist is included in a Dictionary of Artists, National Dictionary of Artists, Oxford Dictionary of Artists, Benezit Dictionary of Artists, or the like, they pass. Netherzone (talk) 22:34, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. It happens. I don't really participate in that many AfDs about visual artists myself. So, I'll have to take your word on it. That said, I think the sourcing is almost if not there for her to be notable anyway. Otherwise, it's just kind of nitpicking. So, I struck my vote out. --Adamant1 (talk) 23:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the Großes Sängerlexikon as ref. and also notice she was part of several performances directed by Herbert von Karajan. Amateurs weren't allowed to play with Karajan. Also, the article is not an orphan. LouisAlain (talk) 09:42, 9 November 2020 (UTC).
Keep there is lots of older material online especially if you dig into the newspaper archives (remember we are talking about the 70s and 80s before the invention of the internet). KittenKlub (talk) 12:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per Gerda and KittenKlub. Kablammo (talk) 16:10, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Coverage in an encyclopedia and main-stream press and a monograph satisfy notability requirements. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:08, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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