Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mario Rodriguez (aviation executive)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus of policy-oriented arguments clearly sits to delete. Daniel (talk) 21:56, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mario Rodriguez (aviation executive)[edit]

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Fails WP:NBIO. Serving as an airport director is not particularly notable, even at the largest airports (which Indianapolis is not). Heavy edits from IP addresses and the text make it seem like it has been written by the subject of the article. TractorTrailer258 (talk) 23:22, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:34, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:35, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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bludgeoning by IPs

KEEP - Receiving the “Sagamore of the Wabash” Indiana’s highest civilian award limited to only a select few is notable. Receiving United Sates Congressional Recognition is notable. Being a member of the Biden-Harris PRESIDENTIAL Transition Team is Notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.203.168.30 (talk) 17:15, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP - Saving lives during and after Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans is notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.203.168.30 (talk) 17:18, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP - It is good to note that there are only a very limited amount of people that have ever been awarded the "Sagamore of the Wabash", Indianas highest honor given only by the Governor of Indiana.
KEEP - Serving on the Presidential Transition team is important, winning the most important Indiana civilian award is important, Cogressional recognition is important. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.170.167.137 (talk) 18:38, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP - Saving lives during and after Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans is notable. Being awarded the Sagamore of the Wabash by the Governor of Indiana is Notable. The award is the highest honor which the Governor of Indiana bestows, a personal tribute given to those who rendered distinguished service to the state or to the governor. Among those who have received Sagamores have been astronauts, presidents, ambassadors, artists, musicians, politicians and citizens who have contributed greatly to Hoosier heritage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.203.168.30 (talk) 19:53, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP - Response.: - 1. The Sagamore of the Wabash is given by the Governor of Indiana for outstanding service to the State. It was started in 1945 (75 years ago)so there has been many (Notable citizens of Indiana that have received this very Notable award for their outstanding service. This is an excerpt from the indystar article "There are thousands who have received the honorarium, including astronauts, musicians, actors, and politicians. Among the distinguished recipients are:

   David Letterman
   Eddie Rickenbacker
   Eva Mozes Kor
   Gus Grissom
   President Harry Truman
   Jeff Gordon
   John Wooden
   Muhammad Ali
   Ryan White"

KEEP - 2. In lieu of just making a broad statement on "Congressional Recognitions" it would be intelligent to review what the recognition was for. refer to the link in the article.
KEEP - 3. Saving lives during and after Hurricane Katrina is Notable. I encourage you to research.
KEEP - 4. Being selected and participating in a PRESIDENTIAL transition is notable. TractorTrailer's comment would lead the reader to believe that selection and vetting of a PRESIDENTIAL transition team is a trivial matter and done in a haphazard manner and anyone, with or without talent, can guide the course of a new administration. That could not be farther from the truth. It would make sence to study PRESIDENTIAL transitions (especially this very historic and difficult one) before making uninformed statements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.203.168.30 (talk) 13:40, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP - The summation of all his, very well-documented, achievements makes this person notable and meets all requirements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:B:9:0:0:0:50 (talk) 2021-02-24T12:33:57 (UTC)
KEEP - Saving lives during and after Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans is notable. Being awarded the Sagamore of the Wabash by the Governor of Indiana is Notable. The award is the highest honor which the Governor of Indiana bestows, a personal tribute given to those who rendered distinguished service to the state or to the governor. Among those who have received Sagamores have been astronauts, presidents, ambassadors, artists, musicians, politicians and citizens who have contributed greatly to Hoosier heritage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.203.168.30 (talk) 13:44, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment.: I've tried to reorder the comments from the IP addresses so that they are more understandable. IP address 184.170.167.137 has been blocked for repeatedly removing the AFD tag on the article in question. The comments above repeatedly mention how notable the Sagamore of the Wabash award is, but it appears that the award is routinely given to all manner of people, both notable and not. This article notes that "thousands" have been awarded, that there is no centralized roll of awardees, and that the Sachem Award is more prestigious. The "Congressional Recognition" that is mentioned appears to be no more than a minor laudatory statement that was submitted into the Congressional Record (for example, the next entry in the Congressional Record is congratulating a couple on their 50th wedding anniversary). Finally, serving on a Presidential transition team is also not inherently notable; hundreds of people serve as transition team members every time there is a Presidential transition and while their work is important, it is ultimately just temporary and preparatory staff work. In fact, only one of the Department of Transportation transition team members appears to have an article (Polly Trottenberg, and she was Commissioner of Transportation in New York City and nominated to become Deputy Secretary of Transportation. I'm very sorry these IP users (who very much appear to have a close personal connection with Mr. Rodriguez) are taking offense to this AfD, but I still believe this article fails WP:NBIO and should be deleted. TractorTrailer258 (talk) 22:03, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Views from others who have not contributed to the article would be helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Ase1este_{charge-parity}^time 08:45, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Needs input by more people who are not (or not associated with) Mario Rodriguez.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 11:09, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment can some one have a look at the spamming on this article --Devokewater 11:18, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I have collapsed the comments by IP. ~ Ase1este_{charge-parity}^time 12:47, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I have performed a quick source analysis and could only find two sources that came close to meeting our gold standard of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. That said, I am not particularly familiar with sourcing for airport-related articles, so an independent second opinion on some sources would be appreciated (noted in the table). All told however, I highly doubt this person meets the general notability guideline. Simply serving on a Presidential transition team is nowhere near close to being of inherent notability - hundreds of people serve on each team. ƒirefly ( t · c ) 13:06, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The page is now semi-protected for a month after I have requested it. This should stop the spam from IPs. ~ Ase1este_{charge-parity}^time 17:13, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the questionable items from the talk page links do not speak to notability due to lack of independence. When you have similar stories from multiple sources, all with time and geographic correlation, it's a fair bet they are all written from the same press release. The Sagamore of the Wabash is an honorarium akin to "Kentucky colonel" - it doesn't speak to notability. 174.254.192.230 (talk) 18:16, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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