Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marilyn Pupo

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 04:17, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Marilyn Pupo

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Non notable actress and tv host who fails to satisfy any criterion WP:NACTOR/WP:ENT and WP:ANYBIO as they haven’t taken up any significant roles in movies/series neither have they won any prestigious awards. A before search shows me this source which appears to be reliable but reads like its an extended announcement and an interview which makes it have no value to WP:GNG. Furthermore an article existing in a different language doesn’t make it automatically notable in the English Wikipedia. Celestina007 (talk) 20:05, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong keep I knew this was coming. However, an article about her has been requested on the Women in Red project, Puerto Rico women's list. She is a legend in Puerto Rico, you have to type Marilyn Pupo Puerto Rico, however, to find her because most of what is available about her is on Puerto Rican media websites. Alas, a lot of articles that are being requested on the Women in Red project will probably end up on AFD because many of the women being requested are not well known in English-speaking countries. Also, she is considered notable enough to be included in two other wikipedias. Antonio The Legendary Puerto Rican Martin (que paso?) 20:29, 15 March, 2021 (UTC)

Please could you link us to some of the Puerto Rican sources that show notability? I agree that it's difficult for non-Puerto Ricans to find sources but if you'd be happy to link them in this discussion or in the article, and if they clearly show significant coverage, then the article will surely be kept.Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:14, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment — “You knew this was coming”, So you mean to say you knew an article you were creating was going to considered not notable enough for mainspace but created it regardless? I don’t understand that thought process. It’s inconsequential if an article on her has been requested. Notability policy for actors are outlined in WP:NACTOR, so tell me what criterion she meets there? Like Spiderone stated, Could you provide RS that shows she is “is a legend in Puerto Rico” as you stated above? If we arguing let’s argue with policy. The English Wikipedia is a lot tougher with more stringent rules pertaining to notability. Celestina007 (talk) 21:17, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

comment - I created it because it was requested on a wikiproject I am a member of, but knew it was going to happen because there are too many deletionists on wikipedia, to the point that we have the absurd idea now that "an article existing in a different language doesn’t make it automatically notable in the English Wikipedia." (note: Im not criticizing you personally for saying that, just the notion itself because, notable is notable, period) (that and also that now, even if the article is voted to be kept, it can be deleted because "the one voter who voted for delete had a better argument than the 5 who voted for keep"...and who is the deleter to decide who has the better argument, anyways??) I mean, how come we are not seeing VFD's on her articles on the two other languages? Simple reason: she is notable. I just wrote the stub because of my arthritic and also neuropathic pain on my hands, hopefully others can expand it with better info about her.Slightly off topic, I think while Wikipedia cannot be too inclusionist, it should not be too deletionist either, we need to find a middle point. Deleting articles about people or subjects that are considered notable enough not to be deleted on the other wikipedias tells me that unfortunately, the scale is tipping towards the deletionist side, which would be bad because, in a future, people won't even think about looking at us for information, if we just keep putting hurdles upon hurdles for inclusion, then in the future most articles would be deleted. That's not what wikipedia should be about. Saludos! Antonio boricua Sandwich Martin (aha?) 21:48, 15 March, 2021 (UTC)

Comment — Wikipedia works with reliable sources that can demonstrate notability and not on sentimental basis or guilt tripping, @Spiderone & I have asked you to provide the non English RS that substantiates her status notability status but you are yet to do so, if we can’t verify claims made in an article that article shouldn’t be on mainspace. Celestina007 (talk) 22:48, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

comment - I think I already put at least one RS (the Puerto Rican Institute of Culture's-a government run non profit organization-bio page of Miss Pupo) Antonio Made to Love you Baby Martin (aha?) 02:30, 16 March, 2021 (UTC)

Comment - I just added another reliable source reference- from El Nuevo Dia newspaper. Antonio Funny Crazy and Cute man Martin (dime) 20:09, 22 March, 2021 (UTC)

Keep I think, anyway. To be fair I can barely assess the reliability of English language sources, never mind Spanish, but she has a ton of coverage in news articles. [1] [2] [3] She also has mentions in quite a few books, i.e. Contemporary Theater in Puerto Rico, History of Cuban Cinema and Puerto Rico Past and Present: An Encyclopedia. There are plenty more sources, especially in Spanish, but again I can't really assess them. The amount of coverage I'm seeing brings me down on the side of notability though. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:56, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 13:33, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -More reliable sources added, plus again, she is covered in two other wikipedias where notability hasn't been an issue. Antonio Agent 006 Martin (loser's talk page) 14:27. 23 March, 2021 (UTC)

You shouldn't !vote twice. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:30, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Detailed reviews are high-volume. Enough have been provided already in this discussion and on the page, and more are easy to find, for example by searching for Marilyn Pupo actriz. Omitting anything that mentions her husband helps to see why she is notable, but the fact that her husband's death received high-volume coverage in which he, probably an independently notable person, was consistently identified as her husband is also a reflection of her celebrity. Aside from WP:GNG being met, coverage like this in which newspapers publish headlines that assume that she is known by their reader base, as well as her appearance in books about Puerto Rican filmmaking (like the ones identified above) also adds up to presumed notability under WP:NACTOR 1/2. - Astrophobe (talk) 19:52, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Keep - There are many celebrities in other countries that we have never heard of, however that does not make them less notable. Tony the Marine (talk) 16:44, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, mostly per Astrophobe. I'm disappointed by the claim that commenting "I knew this was coming" in response to an AfD is stating you write non-notable articles; you can, frankly, quite easily predict an AfD by writing about subjects in places that speak languages other than English. Vaticidalprophet 20:04, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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