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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 01:25, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maratha occupation of Kolwan (1672)[edit]

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I am unable to find any sources in any way supporting the content of this unreferenced article. None of the linked articles of purportedly related topics (Shivaji, Maratha Empire, Sambhaji, Moropant, Jawhar, Vikramgad, etc.) make any mention of corresponding events in 1672, although this does broadly correspond to the time during which Shivaji was consolidating what would become the Maratha Empire. It is perhaps noteworthy that this is the only article on Wikipedia to use the term "Kolistan". signed, Rosguill talk 23:53, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  1. Jadhav, Namdevrao (2014). Ganimi Kava. Pune: Rajamata Prakashan. ISBN 978-8191098006.
  2. Sarkar, Jadunath (1992). Shivaji and His Times. Orient Longman. ISBN 978-81-250-1347-1.
Which would not make the article originally unsourced. If those citations are correct for events it means, WP:OFFLINESOURCES exist. Article has had what might appear to be some disruptive editing. Might be prudent to review the history of it. It would be hard to verify the sources know. Govvy (talk) 14:26, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I was able to track down a digital copy of Shivaji and His Times--it was published in 1920 (1992 edition is a reprint) and thus is a raj-era source that is typically considered unreliable. Ignoring reliability, it supports some, but not most, of the content in the article on pages 218-219.
Looking at Ganimi Kava, its title apparently translates to "Guerrilla Kava A true mastery of the world famous Maratha martial art" -- I am skeptical that this book contains reliable information about a 17th c. military occupation, and am disinclined to consider it a probable source in the absence of quotes or page numbers. signed, Rosguill talk 15:25, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Haven't had the opportunity to research this topic in detail, but some points for those willing to spend some time on further research:
  • Shivaji and His Times (originally published in 1920) is in public domain. A search for "Kolwan" / "Kolvan" / "Kolistan" on archive.org does not return any result. Searching for "1672" and "Koli" returns page 204 which has one sentence about the "Koli State of Ramnagar".
  • Ganimi Kava by Namdevrao Jadhav likely fails WP:RS - the author claims to be royal Maratha descent, and runs the Rajmata Prakashan (the publisher of the book).
Searching Google books for "1672 Koli Maratha" shows that the Maratha chiefs ransacked a few states ruled by Koli chiefs, sometimes on their way to another territory. So this is not a complete hoax. That said, I'm not sure if any scholarly source has discussed this in non-trivial manner as a single campaign directed towards Koli-ruled states. We may have sources that talk about Nazi invasion of countries ruled/inhabited by the Slavs, but that doesn't warrant the existence of an article titled Nazi invasion of Slavic countries unless scholarly sources have discussed the topic with that categorization in mind.
utcursch | talk 16:05, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:18, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per my comment above. I have not been able to find reliable sources that discuss "Maratha occupation of Kolwan" (or "Kolistan" according a recent move). Separate articles on Maratha actions against individual Koli chiefs may be created, but we don't need this one, just like we don't need Nazi invasion of Slavic countries. utcursch | talk 23:17, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as a non-independently-notable event. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:22, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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