Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manpower Incorporated (Honorverse) (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, notable in the books maybe but nowhere else that anyone brought up here. Gwen Gale (talk) 06:22, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Manpower Incorporated (Honorverse)[edit]

Apparently TW didn't save AfD tag on this page. Well, anyway: Trivial plot summary. No claim of real-world notability. Google search yields no hits that mention this topic even in passing in any sort of review, commentary, etc --EEMIV (talk) 11:56, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or Merge to/with Mesa (Honorverse). Manpower Incorporated is a major plot device in Honorverse, a bestselling book series. That said, I can see how it could be merged into Mesa (Honorverse) article, both cover more or less the same faction.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 13:58, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Manpower Incorporated is a major plot device in Honorverse. With new sequels it will be more and more important (so even deleted it will reappear). Notability/real world context is all slavery/antislavery stuff.--Dotz Holiday (talk) 20:29, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It would be mighty helpful if you could provide some references to back up the claims of real world notability.--Fabrictramp | talk to me 23:41, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Are there any out-of-universe independent sources for Mesa (Honorverse) either? I can't seem to find any, so it would make little sense to merge this to an article which itself will need to be upmerged or deleted. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 16:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - For example, Mesa is mentioned in this review.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:01, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Passing mention does not strike me as "substantive coverage" and a third-tier review site seems not to be a reliable source. --EEMIV (talk) 17:05, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, as with arguments from first AfD, no out-of-universe content to merge anywhere, and without secondary sources to provide out-of-universe perspective, this problem does not appear to be fixable. A transwiki to an appropriate in-universe or fan wiki may be appropriate. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 16:45, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the Mesa article, or list of Honorverse organizations. 70.51.9.17 (talk) 06:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC) — 70.51.9.17 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.