Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manortown United

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. No terribly compelling arguments either way here, and certainly no consensus to delete. Skomorokh, barbarian 22:28, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Manortown United[edit]

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I don't know enough about Irish football to say for sure, but this doesn't look like a sports team that would meet the notability criteria to me. Deletion template removed by ip. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:50, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:28, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:13, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - There are many similar teams here: Leinster Senior League (association football). Also Niall Quinn used to play for them but I'm not sure if that's enough to make my vote a keep. Spiderone 12:15, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've also seen many teams lower down the pyramid or at the same level: Phoenix F.C. Navan Road, Wayside Celtic F.C. and St Francis F.C. Spiderone 15:12, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete - won a trophy at the Milk Cup, a highly respected youth competition, but I don't think youth success is enough. And Spiderone, I don't think clubs should be notable just because a notable player once played for them, if so we'd have articles on thousands of pub teams that former-professionals have joined in later life! Giant Snowman 12:46, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Bettia's findings below. Giant Snowman 08:29, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - the article on the LSL says its teams compete in the FAI Cup, so assuming that's correct would it pass muster in the same way that the rule of thumb for English clubs is eligibility to enter the FA Cup........? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:52, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I saw that, but it just says "teams" rather than "all teams", so it's likely only a few do. Either way, I've not been able to find any evidence that Manortown have competed. Giant Snowman 20:17, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete- I was going to remain neutral but since there's no evidence that they've played in the FAI Cup I'll have to say delete. Spiderone 20:28, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. They may not have played in the FAI Cup, but they are playing in the FAI Junior Cup, which as I understand it is equivalent to the FA Trophy. This would be enough for the club to pass WP:FOOTYN, which is the general rule of thumb for club notability. Bettia (talk) 09:45, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But the FAI Junior Cup and FA Trophy aren't similar - the latter consists of semi-professional adult teams, the former is a youth tournament! Giant Snowman 09:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As I understand it, 'Junior' football in Ireland has the same definition as in Scotland - not a youth competition, just at a lower standard than 'senior' football. I'll look into this and see what I can dig up. Also, there is a separate competition for youth teams, the FAI Youth Cup. Bettia (talk) 09:55, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This team photo of the 2006 finalists seem to indicate that this is an adult tournament. Bettia (talk) 10:53, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Either that or Jamie Oliver needs to have a serious word with the parents of the kid in goal ;-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:03, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, he's just a growing lad! But seriously, I googled 'FAI Junior Cup' and the images that came up showed spotty 16 year old kids! But you've proved notability, so I'm changing my vote. Giant Snowman 08:29, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete- insufficient notability. Mukadderat (talk) 22:36, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP - this article seems to be up for deletion. this seems unfair as the club are a well known dublin amateur soccer club with a respected history of bringing through young players who later have become professional players.

articles on similar clubs such Stillorgan Lakelands F.C. and Vale_View_Shankill_F.C. have been allowed and these clubs would not be as well known in the league system as Manortown.

this club has won trophies such as the Milk Cup and regularly competes at the FAI CUP and FAI Junior Cup, two trophies of some history and prestige in domestic soccer in Ireland.

The club has also been featured as the central theme of an RTE television program.

For these reasons, and that articles on clubs similar to itself have been accepted, i feel it would be grossly unfair if this article was deleted.

(ps. i am new to editing wikipedia, so i apologise if i have posted this in an incorrect location)

kind regardsMarno111 (talk) 01:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The RTE aspect is certainly an interesting one. Although it was primarily about Niall Quinn, I dare say there was a fair bit on the programme about the club itself. I wonder if this would be enough to count as substantial third-party coverage, and therefore pass WP:N? Bettia (talk) 09:48, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Bettia. matt91486 (talk) 04:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Bettia. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:26, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.