Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manasse Ninakku Mangalam

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete. This kind of article and discussion highlights a gap in our V/GNG policies, which clearly hasn't been resolved suitably one way or another. Daniel (talk) 22:44, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Manasse Ninakku Mangalam

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Fails WP:NFILM and WP:GNG. Nothing notable on a WP:BEFORE . Was dePROD'ed without an explanation. Kolma8 (talk) 22:32, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Kolma8 (talk) 22:32, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Kolma8 (talk) 22:32, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. News stories about the death of the film's director, A. B. Raj, include this film among his notable works. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 23:22, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For something like this (a Malayalam-language film from 1984), you need to check newspapers and trade magazines from 1984. You might be able to find them at your local library. A simple Google search isn't enough to find that type of review. For an American movie, I would check Variety magazine. I'm not sure what its Indian counterpart is, but once you fid it, you should be able to find news stories and reviews of a lot of other Malayalam movies. Until then, I would recommend not asking for the deletion of any other Malayalam-language movies. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 23:39, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This will be practically impossible. Even for major Malayalam newspapers, it is difficult to find anything from a couple of years ago. For the recent stuff, there will some English articles available on the net. But for anything prior to 2010, finding contemporary information in Malayalam is extremely difficult. Tintin 04:14, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment What is the exact reason why this is being nominated for deletion ? In WP:NFILM, I see the line "The film features significant involvement (i.e., one of the most important roles in the making of the film) by a notable person and is a major part of their career." In the IMDB page, I see the names of the cast mentioned in Manasse Ninakku Mangalam and these are all major actors (Prem Nazir, Madhu, Menaka etc).

Or are seriously looking for "contemporary mentions" and "two full-length reviews" for Indian local language movies from 1960s and 1970s ? Tintin 04:20, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well...the sources have to be presented to make a point and to support notability of the subject, otherwise what is the point...the same goes to support that this film was "a major part of" someone's career. If that can be referenced then of course there is no case for this AfD. Notability has to be supported, not just stated. So, I am seriously looking for "contemporary mentions" and "two full-length reviews", because it is the reason we have guidance. Cheers, Kolma8 (talk) 03:02, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That guidance will work for movies in English and perhaps in other European languages. But for movies in Indian regional languages, I suspect it will be extremely difficult. Tintin 03:17, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, but on another hand we have to use some type of guidance to sort it out through the articles, right? How else we can control the quality of the WP articles? The latter is a rhetorical question. ;) Thank you for your contribution to WP! Kolma8 (talk) 03:09, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Tintin 04:23, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Tintin, as above. Kolma8 (talk) 03:03, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep per Tintin. Given the era the film was made and the well known director and actor's involved, the likelihood of offline sources existing with significant coverage is high.4meter4 (talk) 16:16, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: can actual sourcing be found?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 00:24, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - per above. Shahid • ^Talk2me 10:06, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, as sources likely exist, given the era.Jackattack1597 (talk) 20:48, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I, unfortunately, have to agree with Kolma8. No sources popped up when I searched for this. To all the Keep !voters, please don't just assume that there are sources, provide them. --Coolperson177 (talk) 22:27, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.