Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mackenzie Soldan
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:02, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
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Just why is this person notable? Not per consensus Tennis Guidelines or Wikipedia NSPORT/Olympic guidelines. You usually have to win a paralympic medal in order to be notable. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:21, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
- Comment A gold medal at the Parapan American Games isn't enough? Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 20:46, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
- I don't know the parameters of the Parapan American Games and if every medalist is automatically notable. You are not automatically notable if you win gold at the Pan American Games. Per the sources in the article , not really notable. Per Olympic Guidelines and Tennis Guidelines he's not notable. GNG requires more than is currently listed. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:46, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - WP:GNG per Google search and Google News to start. Article could use expansion and additional references, not deletion per WP:ATD. Hmlarson (talk) 04:33, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- That says nothing. We look for full articles in major press publications. So just writing Google search and Google News tell us nothing to convince whoever closes this that they are Notable. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:46, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. North America1000 05:12, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America1000 05:12, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- Really? WP:ATD, a policy, "suggests" you do due diligence before nominating an article for deletion. But if you're not willing, no problem. I'm sure we can improve it so you can withdraw the nomination. Hmlarson (talk) 05:25, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- Well, since you seem to be getting snotty, I guess it depends on what you mean by due diligence. Did I go over to Wikiproject Olympics to see whether Mackenzie Soldan was covered in the guidelines? Yes I did and he failed notability. Did I double check WikiProject Tennis Guidelines to check on Mackenzie Soldan? Yes and he failed notability. Did I check WP:NSPORT? Yep, again a big fat fail. So I also looked at the article sourcing to see if it passed. I concluded it did not. So take your attitude elsewhere. If you feel you have the sources to convince others that he easily passes GNG, again that's cool. There have been a bunch of non-notable paralympic article creations as of late but perhaps this particular article is one of the few that merits keeping. GNG is tricky and perhaps more eyes on this will bring forth those goos sources. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:02, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- LOL - mirror. Thanks! Hmlarson (talk) 20:47, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- Well, since you seem to be getting snotty, I guess it depends on what you mean by due diligence. Did I go over to Wikiproject Olympics to see whether Mackenzie Soldan was covered in the guidelines? Yes I did and he failed notability. Did I double check WikiProject Tennis Guidelines to check on Mackenzie Soldan? Yes and he failed notability. Did I check WP:NSPORT? Yep, again a big fat fail. So I also looked at the article sourcing to see if it passed. I concluded it did not. So take your attitude elsewhere. If you feel you have the sources to convince others that he easily passes GNG, again that's cool. There have been a bunch of non-notable paralympic article creations as of late but perhaps this particular article is one of the few that merits keeping. GNG is tricky and perhaps more eyes on this will bring forth those goos sources. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:02, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- Really? WP:ATD, a policy, "suggests" you do due diligence before nominating an article for deletion. But if you're not willing, no problem. I'm sure we can improve it so you can withdraw the nomination. Hmlarson (talk) 05:25, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- Comment - additional references added including, but not limited to: PBS feature and The New York Times.Hmlarson (talk) 21:25, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- The NY Times is a blog but the PBS feature was pretty cool and is giving me pause to think about it. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:46, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- I think that with the Gold Medal in an important but non-Olympic event, with the PBS bio and with something like Mackenzie Soldan wins national wheelchair tennis championship, I have been convinced that while she fails WikiProject Sports Guidelines, she qualifies for an article by GNG. Together those items are enough for me. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:59, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
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