Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maastricht School of Management

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There are questions from one user about the notability of the subject but no delete vote. There is a genuine subject request for deletion which has been discussed sufficiently and turned down. (non-admin closure) Szzuk (talk) 20:16, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Maastricht School of Management

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No activity since adding Advert template. The Dutch page has been deleted for the same reason. Wikiwerner (talk) 16:10, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 16:58, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Management-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 16:58, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 16:58, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Removed most hysterically fawning verbiage from the article. Remains still based on self-referential sources. Perhaps someone is riding on the tails of Maastricht's fame; or is it infamy? -The Gnome (talk) 09:16, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Did some search. The subject can't seem to meet WP:ORG or WP:NSCHOOL. -The Gnome (talk) 19:58, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It is a highly reputable, i.e. with top tier researchers in business academia, business school, in effect a university/college. We have many articles about business schools/MBA programs that are departments within larger universities. My impression (could be wrong) is that this is independent from a larger university. We automatically keep all secondary school articles; this is higher, and it is seriously top-notch. --Doncram (talk) 03:52, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It grants Doctorate degrees. This is ridiculously high. Speedy Keep close would be reasonable. --Doncram (talk) 04:05, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Again with the argument, "other bad stuff exists, so why delete this?" The subject is a commercial organization and, thus, according to WP:NSCHOOL is subject to WP:ORG, which it seems to fail. -The Gnome (talk) 11:09, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I received an email from a user who identified herself as Communications Officer at Maastricht School of Management and said she has been told to get this page deleted. This is just for information, since 1) there is no confirmation of who the user is and 2) we decide such things based on our own criteria rather than the desire of the subject to have or not to have a page. --MelanieN (talk) 22:15, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings. Do you happen to know or did they explain why was the email addressed to you? -The Gnome (talk) 01:20, 14 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

They addressed it to me because they had tried to get it speedy-deleted per WP:U1, and I had declined it because they were not the author of the article (which has actually been here since 2006 and had multiple editors). --MelanieN (talk) 01:47, 14 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I see. (By "author," I understand you mean "original creator.") Thank you for the response and the information. -The Gnome (talk) 07:21, 14 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, thank you for your reply. How can I confirm who I am and this this is a request on behalf of MSM itself? We have been spending too much time on checking the information and correcting. This is why we would like to have the page deleted. Several editing wars have been taking place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maastricht52 (talk • contribs) 10:28, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Offhand I and other Wikipedia editors here do probably all believe User:Maastricht52 that they are an official authorized to represent MSM, and what they/MSM want does matter to some degree. As noted by others below MSM does not get to strictly control what is covered about themselves, but they should point out factual errors if any and they should make requests for other changes at the article's Talk page, including use of the {{edit-request}} template. Also they should be encouraged to provide photo(s) and use of a logo to improve visual coverage, for which their proving they are official does matter (only an official can make release of a logo); for this they should correspond with Wikipedia's confidential Volunteer Response Team (aka OTRS), see wp:OTRS. It is awkward to communicate back and forth here to educate them/us about what is proper here; the trained/qualified volunteers can better handle this confidentially by email. To MelanieN, could you possibly please point this out to them by email? --Doncram (talk) 15:24, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

User:Doncram, I don’t see a need to email her. I think we are inclined to believe that she is who she says she is. She said the same thing at the article about her boss, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wim Naudé, and it was deleted. She has not given us any valid reason for deleting this article. I don’t see any evidence of the edit wars she describes or the misinformation they have had to correct. I think consensus here, whatever it turns out to be, should prevail. If the article is kept, ~~someone ping me and~~ I will explain on her talk page how to handle what they perceive as problems with the article. --MelanieN (talk) 18:22, 29 April 2018 (UTC) Actually no need to ping me, I have watchlisted the article. --MelanieN (talk) 18:25, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:09, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. While I understand that the school has asked for the page to be deleted, the institution itself is notable and the article should be maintained. However, it is a conflict of interest for the school itself to be editing the page. Ross-c (talk) 20:11, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note Editors with a conflict of interest are "strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly" but not prohibited from doing so. -The Gnome (talk) 10:27, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:16, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and advise the school's officials that Wikipedia is a crowdsourced encyclopedia and not a promotional website for the school. Of they want to raise concerns about the article the article talk page is the appropriate venue. FloridaArmy (talk) 12:41, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep deletion solves none of the problems with this page. Unfortunately I don't know what reliable sources there are for European universities. power~enwiki (π, ν) 17:43, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.