Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MAD (massively multiplayer online role-playing game)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was NO CONSENSUS. Nominator agrees it might be salvageable, and it is harsh indeed to delete something that predates the Internet because no sources for it are on the Internet. Cyberskull's remedy seems most appropriate for now. -Splash - tk 16:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MAD (massively multiplayer online role-playing game)[edit]

This artielc elacs any sources, is plainly written by one of the creators, is non-neutral in tone, is original research from primary sources (check the connection logs image), but it might just be salvageable. Source it or lose it, I'd say. Guy (Help!) 15:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What do you need as further information? I am talking about old times, more than 20 years ago, when Internet did not exist. BITNET has long disappeared now. The birth of MMORPG much before Internet was, I believed, of some interest for the history of MMORPG. I have a plentiful of information I can upload, such as user testimonies, user asking for having a copy of MAD at their University for instance. Does it help? Vincent Lextrait 16:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It would help if you could produce magazines or books that talk about the game, even a website that mentions them. FrozenPurpleCube 16:32, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just have testimonies of users of the time (I can upload them), and can produce modern testimonies from a few of them. I guess for instance that the inventor of Revised LISTSERV, Eric Thomas, founder of L-Soft will kindly confirm the information. Vincent Lextrait 16:57, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Testimonies don't work so well for Wikipedia, what you want is sources that are actually published and contain the information. A magazine, a newspaper article, a book, whatever. If you don't have that, it will be unlikely the article will be kept at this time. FrozenPurpleCube 17:45, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You need to provide sources as described at Wikipedia:Attribution. Sancho (talk) 17:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for a lack of any sources to back up the claims. The claim has also worked its way in to History of massively multiplayer online role-playing games and probably ought to be excised as well if it cannot be sourced. Arkyan  ^(talk) 19:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - but not with any happiness. This is an interesting topic, and probably is notable. However, it still fails WP:ATT. --Haemo 00:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep I am being an optimist that that sources can be provided. i am sure these games were talked about in the computer magazines of the times--I too remember them. But the eds. who has worked on this article is in a much better position to supply them than I am--surely you kept note of some of them--possibly in paper printout. Please help us keep this article. DGG 05:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Understood the points of view. Leave me some time until the week-end, I'll dig my archives then, and see if I can provide valuable evidence. Thanks. Vincent Lextrait 06:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. — Kaustuv Chaudhuri (via) 13:56, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - tag it with a source request and move on. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 07:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.