Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lyceum of Alabang

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I'm sorry but the consensus is to Delete this article. Let me know if you would like to work on it in Draft space. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:45, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lyceum of Alabang

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Fails notability criteria for schools (WP:NSCHOOL). The most coverage one can find is two news articles that briefly mention it as the school of Miss Universe winner Celeste Cortesi (WP:INHERITORG - an organization does not "inherit" notability from its member). Nintendo2000 (talk) 19:30, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Philippines, Schools, and Education. Nintendo2000 (talk) 20:14, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t get the point of deletion if it is an existing school. I can detest I’m currently a student. Wikinerd881 (talk) 03:03, 1 February 2023‎ (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia uses a notability test to determine whether an organization, such as a school, warrants its own article:

A company, corporation, organization, group, product, or service is presumed notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. [...] The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject is not sufficient to establish notability. Deep or significant coverage provides an overview, description, commentary, survey, study, discussion, analysis, or evaluation of the product, company, or organization. Such coverage provides an organization with a level of attention that extends well beyond brief mentions and routine announcements, and makes it possible to write more than a very brief, incomplete stub about the organization.

Nintendo2000 (talk) 03:36, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I provided more sources that can attest it’s a existing educational institution such as the link here found in google books that show it’s a university https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=I2RBAQAAIAAJ&dq=%22Lyceum%20of%20Alabang%22%20-wikipedia&source=gbs_book_other_versions Wikinerd881 (talk) 03:45, 1 February 2023‎ (UTC)[reply]

The problem isn't whether or not it exists, it's whether or not it's notable enough. Organizations, including schools, must pass Wikipedia's notability criteria to merit an article. Refer to my previous comment and Wikipedia's article on its notability guidelines. Also please use the [reply] button in the future so I won't have to manually format and sign your replies. Nintendo2000 (talk) 04:09, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Then how will this notability test go about and isn’t it being a school for 19 years notable enough and I made this page last June 2022 only now I encounter such problem. No offense Wikinerd881 (talk) 04:22, 1 February 2023‎ (UTC)[reply]

Age doesn't imply notability. It must be covered in-depth by reliable and independent sources. I've cited Wikipedia's notability guidelines multiple times, please read them. Nintendo2000 (talk) 04:37, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What else do you need that I could provide so it won’t be deleted?? Wikinerd881 (talk) 03:51, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And I didn’t create the page necessarily because of Celeste Cortesi Wikinerd881 (talk) 03:56, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I'm confirming nominator's google search findings --Lenticel ^(talk) 04:59, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Will you be deleting the page even I have provided information that is suitable enough for it to be maintained Wikinerd881 (talk) 06:05, 1 February 2023‎ (UTC)[reply]

Also why just now you decide to do this to my page? Wikinerd881 (talk) 06:08, 1 February 2023‎ (UTC)[reply]

There are an average of 559 new articles every day. It takes time to review all of them. Nintendo2000 (talk) 06:31, 1 February 2023‎ (UTC)

Please don’t delete my page for Lyceum of Alabang I exerted effort in it and I hope with your kind hearts that you would not. Thank you Wikinerd881 (talk) 07:21, 1 February 2023‎ (UTC)[reply]
You don't WP:OWN this page. WP:EFFORT isn't a reason for keeping. LibStar (talk) 04:26, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also wouldn’t any college wiki page merit the same level as like other notable colleges like University of the Philippines or Ateneo Wikinerd881 (talk) 07:31, 1 February 2023‎ (UTC)[reply]

No, not all colleges pass the notability test. Nintendo2000 (talk) 07:59, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Whats the best solution for this wikipedia page not to be deleted? Hoping for a good response Wikinerd881 (talk) 09:11, 1 February 2023‎ (UTC)[reply]

The solution is to demonstrate notability through reliable and independent sources. This is Wikipedia policy — the answer won't change no matter how many times you ask. Nintendo2000 (talk) 09:29, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Isn’t the sources indicated in the references page enough already there is a google books link proving that the said college is a recognized institution as well as the actual history of the college from the school website itself. Wikinerd881 (talk) 09:43, 1 February 2023‎ (UTC)[reply]

The Google Books link you have is a directory that only briefly mentions each school. Coverage needs to be in-depth to establish notability. Nintendo2000 (talk) 10:09, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What is the strongest link or source you want me to provide? That can show “notability” of the school. Wikinerd881 (talk) 10:46, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:NSCHOOL, most of the coverage is about a Miss Universe Philippines who attended the school, rather than about the school itself. LibStar (talk) 04:25, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. At first, I thought this was related to the Lyceum (I would have voted 'Merge'), but I couldn't find any relationship to it. So I'm more inclined to vote for a delete, for the same reason as the others. --- Tito Pao (talk) 11:07, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I kinda wonder why would it be deleted but the school has a known background it is existing like schools of Southville and the like. It has a website I don’t get why coverage of the school and its notability is what determines if it deserves a Wikipedia page. I hope you can consider that in your decisions. Wikinerd881 (talk) 06:13, 3 February 2023‎ (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia isn't a directory of everything that exists. Your opinion of the policy won't change the policy itself. Nintendo2000 (talk) 08:47, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And how come the less known schools like Pamatansang ng Lungsod ng Muntinlupa or the college of Rabiya Mateo Iloilo Doctors college got a page even do it isn’t heard or known at all? I find it discriminating for me as a student who is attending that school as of the moment Wikinerd881 (talk) 06:16, 3 February 2023‎ (UTC)[reply]
Not every article can be reviewed at once. If they also fail the standards of notability then they would be candidates for deletion too. But that's for a different discussion. Nintendo2000 (talk) 08:45, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't a reason for keeping. LibStar (talk) 08:49, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would still like to appeal this case to you kind people that such college I think deserves its own page. And what if for instance let’s say it gets more notable in the long run would you take that effort again just to make this page all over again? When there was an existing previously but was deleted because it wasn’t “notable” at that time. Hope you can take that into consideration since being a Wikipedia editor is a very hard task to do. Wikinerd881 (talk) 08:58, 3 February 2023‎ (UTC)[reply]
What you think about the policy doesn't change the fact that it's the policy. If it becomes notable, it will get its own page, yes. Effort isn't a reason to keep an article. Bluntly there wasn't much effort involved here anyway - it's literally three sentences long. Nintendo2000 (talk) 09:05, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Heres a news article I found that mentions Lyceum of Alabang from Manila Standard https://manilastandard.net/business/biz-plus/314282100/pcci-spearheads-lgbt-centric-job-fair.html Do research papers count to add to it’s notability? Wikinerd881 (talk) 09:37, 3 February 2023‎ (UTC)[reply]
Coverage needs to be in-depth. An incidental mention doesn't count. Nintendo2000 (talk) 09:53, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here’s a big notability of the school which mentions their real estate course by ABS CBN they were even featured on TV Patrol and the graduates were interviewed on television due to the online course being graduated by OFW or Overseas Filipino workers. This goes to be an in-depth mention not an incidental one which can show it has notability given by ABS CBN

https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/08/31/22/40-ofws-nagtapos-sa-online-course-sa-gitna-ng-pandemya

Here are more articles I found from Manila Standard mentioning the school Lyceum of Alabang

https://manilastandard.net/gallery/news-in-photos/221394/anti-crime-program.html

https://manilastandard.net/home-design/residential/317872/pushing-the-envelope-in-sustainability.html

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IDC currently has partnerships with the University of Science and Technology of Southern Philippines in :Cagayan de Oro, Xavier University and Lyceum University of the Philippines in Alabang.

https://www.philstar.com/sports/2015/12/14/1532810/patts-cdsl-topple-uclaa-rivals/amp/

Here’s some from Phil star about the school participating in UCLAA back in 2015

https://www.philstar.com/entertainment/2013/10/10/1243373/filipino-choirs-rule-intl-choral-fest/amp/

Here as a chorale fest participant

https://www.manilatimes.net/2021/05/17/news/national/prc-postpones-real-estate-licensure-exam/873530

This mentions LOA about the postponement of the Real Estate licensure exams

So I could say that the school has gained a decent amount of notability over the years it may not be as :notable as the well known Philippine Universities. Wikinerd881 (talk) 10:10, 3 February 2023‎ (UTC)[reply]

These are all incidental mentions. Again, coverage needs to be about the school itself, significant, and in-depth. Nintendo2000 (talk) 10:35, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/08/31/22/40-ofws-nagtapos-sa-online-course-sa-gitna-ng-pandemya

This one I don’t think is an accidental mention only because it interviews the school and goes in depth about their program for Real Estate Management and please also look at the video in the article don’t just overlook it You can see there all what I described. Wikinerd881 (talk) 10:48, 3 February 2023‎ (UTC)[reply]

An interview is a primary source; you need to cite secondary sources. To quote WP:ORG,

"A primary source is original material that is close to an event, and is often an account written by people who are directly involved. Primary sources cannot be used to establish notability. In a business setting, frequently encountered primary sources include

corporate annual or financial reports, proxy statements,
memoirs or interviews by executives,
public announcements of corporate actions (press releases),
court filings, patent applications,
government audit or inspection reports,
customer testimonials or complaints,
product instruction manuals or specifications."

Nintendo2000 (talk) 11:10, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dont you get my point the interview was just an additional thing for the news article but Lyceum of Alabang is being noted on how it helped those 40 OFWS finish their course. Which I would think that it shows enough notability. Am I right? Wikinerd881 (talk) 11:20, 3 February 2023‎ (UTC)[reply]
No, the news article is about an event. It involves 40 students graduating from the school, but it isn't notable because of the school. It's notable because they're overseas workers who finished an online course despite COVID. The article doesn't actually discuss or describe the school itself. Nintendo2000 (talk) 14:13, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fine I give up you can delete the article Wikinerd881 (talk) 11:33, 3 February 2023‎ (UTC)[reply]
Delete Sadly there is no evidence that the school is notable, I do appreciate the passion to save this article Almeida Fernando (talk) 09:28, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:NSCHOOL per nom. SeanJ 2007 (talk) 00:16, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.