Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luka nervo

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Sources do not need to be in English Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:16, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Luka nervo[edit]

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no credible claim of notability whatsoever WuhWuzDat 18:49, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete under CSD A7. Speedy was proposed and declined. I cannot think why it was declined, especially since at the time when it was declined the full text of the article was "Luka Nervo is a Croatian professional motorcycle racer that currently competes in the ST6 class as of the end of 2009.He rides a Yamaha R6". Where is the claim of significance? Since then we have had the additional information that he "started second but crashed" in a race. Well, starting second but not finishing is not a great claim to fame. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:28, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I declined the speedy per wp:athlete "People who have competed at the fully professional level of a sport" as I took "professional motorcycle racer" as a claim that he is a professional in the sport of motorcycle racing. I don't know that sport or understand the languages that most of his google hits are in so am not sure whether the AFD should end in delete or keep.~~But I do think that the article's author should be informed of the AFD.~~ (Twinkle anomaly, now resolved) Ϣere SpielChequers 19:40, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as no indication of real notability. A7 inappropriate since there is an indication of notability. The borderline between professional and semi-professional can be grey in some sports and it's better to err on the side of caution. PROD might've been a good way to go here but it's too late for that. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 19:50, 25 November 2009 (UTC) Comment Insufficient data with only 1 English source and a not very clear understanding of what constitutes professional vs. semi-pro in this sport, but leaning to delete without prejudice for re-creation. Hopefully by the end of the AfD the article will clearly show notability and I can say keep. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 20:28, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep. I do not particularly like this person's entry on Wiki and could care less if it is deleted or not, but he is notable per WP:GNG and WP:Athlete. Here is a few more sources I found; [1], [2], [3]... all reliable sources with in depth significant coverage of person, and there are many more, you just have to look. One of the ones I provided here is in English. The source that was provided in the article is actually IOEM, International Austrian Motor bike racing organization. This kid races international professional bike races. That passes WP:Athlete with flying colors. The source in the article listed under external links is actually another source, Cro-Moto.com.

Word of advice to editors above; actually do a search please. Also, if you do not understand the language of the sources, ask others for help. It comes off as ignorant that when you do not understand something you simply delete it... Turqoise127 (talk) 20:09, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No assertion of notability. This one should have been speedied. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 21:39, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Can we please try to keep this on track as a discussion about the notability of the subject rather than about speedy deletion. It has been clearly explained above why this does not qualify for speedy deletion. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:46, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Per the sources found by Turqoise127 and these which have significant coverage of the subject: [4][5]. The language in which sources are written has no bearing on notability. I can't understand most of the sources that are used in articles about molecular biology, but that doesn't stop the subjects of those articles from being notable. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:17, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The language is Croatian, and it is important that you be able to at least passingly understand what's being said before you point to an article as a WP:RS. Translation engines are your friend, however, and searching Google for the name plus translation gives a lot of motorsports articles talking about the rider at high level competitions. Shadowjams (talk) 00:40, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I would also point out that it's important to be able to at least passingly understand what's being said before dismissing an article presented as a WP:RS in good faith. I do happen to have an (albeit passing) understanding of Croatian. Phil Bridger (talk) 23:29, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete no evidence of notability at all. NBeale (talk) 23:18, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Why don't you consider the sources linked above to be evidence of notability? Phil Bridger (talk) 23:29, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.