Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Louise Crisp (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Qwaiiplayer (talk) 12:49, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Louise Crisp[edit]

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Fails WP:BIO and WP:AUTHOR. If she won some awards that would add to notability but being shortlisted is not the same. LibStar (talk) 02:17, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Authors, Poetry, and Australia. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 03:18, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment/leaning keep WP:ANYBIO deems people notable if they have been nominated for well-known or significant awards or honors several times. She seems to meet that criterion. Would anyone dispute that - i.e. does anyone consider these awards to not be well known or significant? CT55555 (talk) 10:02, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment 2. After doing more WP:BEFORE type work, I have added to the article. Also seems like she meets WP:POET on basis of:

https://www.smh.com.au/culture/books/the-books-to-read-in-2020-20191220-p53lyg.html
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6441807/poems-of-long-walks-and-lost-latin-names/
https://bronasbooks.com/2021/08/14/yuiquimbiang-louise-crisp-aww/ CT55555 (talk) 10:50, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per CT55555. Gamaliel (talk) 13:59, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. As much I would like to keep the page, it is WP:TOOSOON. CT55555: WP:ANYBIO deems people notable if they have been nominated for a well-known or significant award or honor several times. She has been nominated for 3 separate awards, one time each. The SMH and Canberra Times articles are WP:RS but not sufficient to establish WP:ANYBIO-- they are simply reviews of a singular work and do not establish that "The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field". The third ref you include is a blog and not WP:RS. I additionally found a good RS in The Weekend Australian (Against the tide, June 22, 2019 by Gregory Day (Page 25, Review)) but again, it's not sufficient to meet ANYBIO. So unfortunately I think it has to be Delete... Cabrils (talk) 00:11, 14 April 2022 (UTC) Keep I'm persuaded by SouthernNights. (And have now added The Weekend Australian ref.) Cabrils (talk) 05:00, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Part 1, 3 prize nominations

If we were here to apply rules, I would have to concede your point. In the context of our role to be to exercise judgement based on lines that guide us (guidelines), I think it is fair to say that three nominations for three awards is comparably notable as 2 nominations for 1 award.

Part 2, blogs

I think we take a analytical views of blogs. Are they written by someone who has expertise? Is the blog well established? Is this PROMO? This is a blog that claims (and no reason to doubt) to be 13 years old, written by a teacher about her areas of expertise. It's not New York Times review of books, but it is credible.

Conclusion

I think we can use our judgement here and make a common sense argument and I have read and considered what you have wrote, but I still think it's fair to remain keep. CT55555 (talk) 05:34, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep. Under WP:ANYBIO it states a person is notable is they have "received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times." That phrasing doesn't mean they have to be nominated for the same award multiple times. Instead "such an award" means someone has been nominated several times for "a well-known and significant award or honor." This subject has been a finalist several times for well-known and significant awards so she absolutely meets our notability guidelines.--SouthernNights (talk) 17:16, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per SouthernNights's clear reasoning. pburka (talk) 18:55, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per CT55555, the title is meeting WP:NAUTHOR. Jeni Wolf (talk) 06:10, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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