Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lou Kravitz

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The result was keep. Further discussion of redirecting/merging on the article's talk page is encouraged. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 21:29, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lou Kravitz

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Not a player, more of a nobody. Run amok in the country (talk) 00:12, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ Mentioned a single time in the book listed on the page with no substantial detail. I could not find Kravitz discussed in-depth in any other books or news sources. Doesn't meet notability requirements for WP:BIO. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 01:56, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:31, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:31, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep—There's no question that sources are hard to find. I couldn't find much outside of proquest, but there's plenty from the NYT from 1929 through 1939. I put about a fifth of them into the article, where they can be seen and evaluated. There's more to add about his involvement with Lepke and narcotics importation, but I don't have time tonight. here's the proquest search if anyone else wants to take a whack at it before I can get back to it.— alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 05:35, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've looked through these articles using my university account access. He is mentioned in each of them, but only in passing as a lackey of Lepke or in a list of a slew of other associates that Lepke had. He is given all of two sentences in this article, "2 New Witnesses link Lepke to Ring":

She subsequently received $12,000 dollars from Katzenberg "that he got from Louis Kravitz," she went on. Kravitz, a fugitive in the case, had previously been described as a business manager for Lepke.

There is also an article briefly describing an active police search for Kravitz, noting that he went under another psuedonym. Really, this doesn't seem substantial enough for its own article. His involvement with Lepke is certainly verifiable, I'm not sure if it's notable enough for its own article because there just isn't enough coverage of him specifically. Perhaps it might be better to merge relevant info to the Louis "Lepke" Buchalter. I've struck my delete above. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 06:27, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I can see that this case is borderline re: notability. The thing that tipped me into a keep was the $1000 reward 2 years after the big Lepke drug ring roundup, but I'll certainly still be able to sleep at night if this gets merged to Lepke's article.— alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 06:37, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Per sources currently in the article. While they are behind a paywall, they appear to establish topic notability per the General notability guideline. Northamerica1000^(talk) 03:23, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The sources may mention him in passing, they don't establish his notability. --Cox wasan (talk) 22:18, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Do you have access to the paywalled site for the references in the article to verify your statement? Northamerica1000^(talk) 16:00, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - well-documented mobster over a ten-year period, as attested by reliable sources. His arrest was also a test case for inchoate offenses. Louis Kay was famous in his day. Once notable, always thus so. Bearian (talk) 21:31, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to an article about the crime since he does not appear to have any notability that is not somehow connected to that particular event. The sources I find refer to him as "Louis Kravitz" rather than "Lou Kravitz", so I'm wondering if the article title should be changed if the article is kept. A photo of him can be found here on page 245. Location (talk) 13:43, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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