Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lone Grove High School

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ─ The Aafī ^{^(talk)} 02:06, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lone Grove High School[edit]

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As per WP:NSCHOOL, schools "must either satisfy WP:ORG, general notability guideline, or both". This one satisfies neither. Rusf10 (talk) 19:06, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Rusf10 (talk) 19:06, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Rusf10 (talk) 19:06, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oklahoma-related deletion discussions. Rusf10 (talk) 19:06, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I've added some references to establish notability. This school's events are regularly covered in the The Daily Ardmoreite and new stories about the school also appear on KXII. Stedil (talk) 16:37, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Local news coverage exists for almost any school, it doesn't make it notable. As an organization schools have to meet WP:AUD--Rusf10 (talk) 16:52, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rusf10, uour assertion thst schools must pass NORG is 100% false. A secondary school is considered notable if it meets either GNG or NORG. It clearly meets GNG, but I'd argue that a detailed article in the state's official paper of record wouldalso pass NORG. 174.212.228.209 (talk) 19:38, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The school also has articles about it published in The Oklahoman, which is a regional paper and thus satisfies AUD. Stedil (talk) 18:05, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GNG does not guarantee notability, it only creates a presumption. That presumption can be challenged (which is what I'm doing right here). If you want to argue that the school is notable enough for its own article using GNG, go ahead, but your still going to have to overcome the fact that only local sourcing has been provided. The Oklahoman is not regional, it is an Oklahoma-based newspaper for distribution within Oklahoma. Find a source outside of Oklahoma.--Rusf10 (talk) 20:01, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Lone Grove, Oklahoma and create a section on education. About half this article would better be there anyway. The level of sourcing for this school, most of it from a hyper local paper and routine coverage, is just not enough to justify a free standing article when we have a much more staightforward way to cover the same topic.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:34, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Plenty of sourcing available, as with any other American high school. Satisfies WP:GNG. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:49, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Lone Grove, Oklahoma per the recommendation of Johnpacklambert. Clearly there are sources out there that discuss it. The problem is that are from local sources and are made up of extremely routine coverage. Topics like them building a new gym aren't exactly notable subject material for the global audience of Wikipedia. That said, I think creating a section for it in the Lone Grove, Oklahoma article is totally fine compared to just straight deletion. Especially since the Lone Grove, Oklahoma article could use the content. --Adamant1 (talk) 06:46, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the Lone Grove city article should have an education section. The problem with merging the article there is that the school district and the city are separate governing bodies with different boundaries. Compare the boundaries of the city here with the school district and its boundary map. The district boundary extends well beyond the municipal boundaries, both to the north and south, and there are certain parts of the city's boundaries east and west that are not in the district's boundary. While it is still my contention that the sourcing for the high school itself meets GNG, at the very least the school district that governs the school is definitely notable as an entity distinct from the city. Stedil (talk) 13:13, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So what? As far as I know there's nothing that says a school can't be mentioned in a city article if that's where its located. Whatever the boundary of the school district it in is. Otherwise, I'd like to see a policy or guideline saying we can't do that, but I'm pretty sure there's articles about cities/towns/whatever all over the place that contain mentions of what schools are in those places. 13:54, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 00:53, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Seems to meet WP:GNG and is sufficiently sourced to remain as a stand-alone article. Johnnie Bob (talk) 02:39, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It appears they have multiple state championships. Independent secondary sources should exist for them. I will try to find them when I get up tomorrow. Scorpions13256 (talk) 05:29, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I found a source from The Oklahoman. The newspaper is based in Oklahoma City, and no sources consider this school as being in the Oklahoma City area. I'll try to find the third source, but the state championships make it unlikely that notability guidelines are not met. Per WP:AUD, we do not need sources from outside Oklahoma. Here is the source. Scorpions13256 (talk) 00:42, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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