Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Logos and uniforms of the Cleveland Browns

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The result was keep. v/r - T P 00:11, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Logos and uniforms of the Cleveland Browns[edit]

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Is essentially a gallery of non-free images, a flagrant violation of WP:NFCC ViperSnake151 Talk 01:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I question that these images are all non-free. I see only four that are unequivocally copyrightable: the two elf drawings, the bulldog head, and the B in the football. The rest are all text-only logos, or generic helmet or uniform outlines used to show simple (and uncopyrightable) colors and stripes. I see that they are all tagged with NFUR, but that may have been from an excess of caution or simple ignorance; coloring a helmet orange and putting a stripe on it certainly isn't copyrightable. Unless the helmet or uniform drawings are actually non-free instead of user-generated, which we don't have a cause to use when we can draw or photograph a helmet or uniform ourselves. postdlf (talk) 04:56, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:24, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. What's the problem? The text provides enough context without the images and, as User:Postdlf notes, a user-created image of a plain orange helmet does not meet the threshold of originality and is not a non-free image. — AjaxSmack 01:24, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:N. Stuartyeates (talk) 10:31, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Part of a series of articles, and it splits material out from the team's fairly long main article. Some of the text at Cleveland Browns#Logos and uniforms should probably be moved here. - Eureka Lott 13:07, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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