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The result was speedy delete as A7. NAC. — Train2104 (talk • contribs) 22:17, 12 June 2013 (UTC) Delete self promotion, judging by the user name. Jamesx12345 (talk) 18:12, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete -- Y not? 15:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sean Maguire (ice hockey)

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Amateur player who fails to meet WP:NHOCKEY. Can be recreated when/if he meets it or otherwise achieves notability. Was a contested prod based on there are other worse pages that haven't been deleted. DJSasso (talk) 17:02, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: As of now the only thing notable about Maguire is his being the last starting goaltender to play for Jack Parker and take Boston University on an unsuccessful run to the 2012-13 Hockey East Championship. PensRule11385 (talk) 11:03, 27 May 2013 (CST)

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Delete - Does not meet N or GNG. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 23:40, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Does not meet the general notability guidelines or topical guidelines for hockey players. Cindy(talk) 02:52, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 00:33, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bryan Rust

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Amateur player who fails to meet WP:NHOCKEY. Can be recreated when/if he meets it or otherwise achieves notability. Was a contested prod based on there are other worse pages that haven't been deleted. DJSasso (talk) 17:05, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: However much I'd like to, I can't say Bryan Rust meets enough of a criteria for notability. He'll be brought back is that changes, however. PensRule11385 (talk) 11:03, 27 May 2013 (CST)

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Delete - Does not meet N or GNG, most of the play history is unsourced. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 23:42, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete housekeeping non-admin closure: 02:26, 3 June 2013 Acroterion (talk | contribs) deleted page Dewayne jackson (A7: No explanation of significance (real person/animal/organization/web content/organized event)) czar · · 05:37, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dewayne jackson

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Unsourced BLP. Scientific Alan 2 ^{(Click here to talk)}^{(What have I done?)}^(Me) 23:42, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - yeah, the title is obviously wrong and this should be at De'Wayne Jackson if the in-article grammar is correct. But the subject fails WP:NMUSIC and WP:GNG and so the article shouldn't be at all. I searched both the correct and incorrect grammar variations and came up short with both. Nothing by way of significant coverage in reliable sources. But I've added the "correct" grammar as a "find sources" tag above, for the sake of fairness. Stalwart111 00:52, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) Cindy(talk) 00:46, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Atlan

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Looks like an advertisement. Lacks notability as per WP:MUSBIO. Sources are either/and primary, biased or insignificant secondary. Ad Orientem (talk) 23:47, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Doesn't meet N or GNG. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 23:43, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi everybody! I am the author of the article. When I saw the tags I read a little bit about the guidelines and I understood many things, some other I would like you to explain me a little bit more. So far I have to say: It's true that the article may seem more from a fan's point of view, rather than a neutral point of view, because I am a fan of this musician since some time ago. But it's definitely not an advertisement! Okay so, I will then proceed to delete and correct all the things that may not seem neutral. If you find more things that I didn't, please let me know, thanks!

Regarding the additional sources for verification, I will try to look for them and give as many as I can. That shouldn't be hard hopefully. What I didn't understand completely is the primary sources thing, could you let me know a little bit more about it? I didn't really understand it, and would appreciate it! Thank you

Finally, regarding the notability, I gave a read to the WP:MUSBIO and while it says that it needs to meet at least one of the following criteria, it actually meets at least three of those!

-Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself: Joe Atlan has appeared multiple times in newspaper articles, magazines, and online versions of print media. I will try to introduce more references to this in the article.

-Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country: The musician participated in an international concert tour with Timo Tolkki, I will introduce sources and maybe pictures that were published.

-Has won or placed in a major music competition.: Atlan was one of the winners in Youfestalent as it says in the article, a competition open to the whole world organized by Youtube that allows the winners to play on stage with renown artists like Sungha Jung or Rick Astley. Link to Youfest site.

Anyways, as I said, I will try to improve the article now. I would appreciate that someone helped me correcting it instead of marking it for deletion, it's very easy to just delete something! Thanks in advance!--Tolkki4Win (talk) 12:42, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: Made several corrections, adding sources and removing biased words or non-neutral statements. Will continue when I have some more time. Would appreciate your opinion about it, thank you!--Tolkki4Win (talk) 14:07, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Still needs work to meet WP:GNG. I would suggest checking out WP:RS for some help with sources. Most of the references as of right now are primary sources. I don't think anyone is going to hit the delete button anytime in the next couple of days. If you can get some good sources that establish notability as per WP:N I will very happily withdraw my nomination for deletion. You need to post links to or even just citations of, print articles in reputable news papers, other encyclopedic entries, significant secondary source reviews of his music etc. Blogs and websites that are connected to or about the subject are not good sources. Likewise youtube videos. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:44, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the help! I have been working on it more following your suggestions. This is what I have done so far:

-Deleted biased words and every non-neutral statement (If I missed some let me know please)

-Deleted some statement that was unsourced and I couldn't find proper references for it.

-Added the credit and information of the composition of a spanish TV series' soundtrack by the subject, since according to WP:MUSBIO it could be important.

-Added a picture of the subject playing on stage with a renown musician on a World Tour.

-Added information regarding the subject's collaboration with a reputable spanish voice actor.

-Added a total of 15 references to sources for multiple statements: these additions mentioned above, previous statements on the article, and notable magazines, websites or news papers articles that have featured the subject and his work. Note that I followed your suggestions and none of these websites, magazines or news papers have anything to do or are related to the subject, they are completely independent. While this seems enough for me, I will continue improving the article if I find anything that could meet your suggestions. As always, every advice is much appreciated. Thanks again a lot! --Tolkki4Win (talk) 18:04, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I withdraw AFD Nom Based on significant efforts by article creator to improve and make WP:N compliant. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:28, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad what I did was useful, it was thanks to your suggestions and I learned a lot with them, thank you so much! I will keep improving the article basing on your guidelines whenever I find the chance. I still see both the deletion and issues marks, is it normal? I was told not touch them so I won't do anything.--Tolkki4Win (talk) 19:29, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Admin will take down the AfD discussion notice when they close this thread and I have removed the improve tags. I am happy to have run into such a dedicated editor and hope to see more of your articles in the future. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:50, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. L Faraone 02:30, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RMM Software

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Article was previously nominated AfD. Article was subsequently tagged for improvement in April without result. Still no sources or clear notability as per WP:GNG It's time for it to go. Ad Orientem (talk) 23:26, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - This does not seem to be a notable topic, and the list is ramshackle and obviously poorly maintained. It seems like only a few of the entries on the list have even have articles, thus inclusion of the others is original research. The guideline states: "Inclusion of material on a list should be based on what reliable sources say, not on what the editor interprets the source to be saying." Finally, the article provides no context or clues as to its inclusion criteria. - Mr X 23:57, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No coverage and still not improved. SL93 (talk) 01:54, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Agreed with the above. It doesn't even provide context on the subject. While the RMM type may be notable, it is a term which sees use with no layman designation or coverage. As is, the list here would need to be scrapped and content need to be recreated entirely. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 23:45, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was withdrawn (at nominators request - non-admin closure). Stalwart111 01:01, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Clipless pedals in BMX

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A7. No indication of importance (individuals, animals, organizations, web content, events). Also lacks context, db-A1. "Reference: Peter Kemling, Aaron Cooke, Mike King" is not a verifiable citation of anything. Dennis Bratland (talk) 22:46, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy close, please. I meant to {{db-a7}} this article, not AFD. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 22:50, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. L Faraone 02:30, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Anno Domini Beats

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Having reviewed this article I am unable to find reliable sources that support any of the text about this company. The references that are used to support the article are either minor (i.e.: personal blogs) or self referential. Having reviewed the edit history and followed the external links it is evident that this article was created and predominantly (almost exclusively) edited either by the founder of this company or an employee which is further evidence that it is not currently notable and not currently meriting a Wikipedia article about it. Given what the article contends then its notability should be such that it would have been created and edited by individual(s) without such a significant conflict of interest regarding the subject of the article. OmniArticleEditor (talk) 22:43, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - No coverage in reliable sources. -- Whpq (talk) 14:04, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Could not find anything that would meet WP:CORP or the art categories, either.Truth or consequences-2 (talk) 08:58, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Big claims, no sourcing, a few trivial mentions in some hiphop sites on Google News, but nothing meeting GNG. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 23:52, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. L Faraone 02:31, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Flordemayo

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Serious lack of WP:RELIABLE sources to indicate any kind of notability other than puffery and WP:FRINGE pseudoscientific nonsense. He iro 21:59, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No significant coverage in reliable sources. Some passing mentions in fringe sources, IRWolfie- (talk) 22:25, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per my reasonings as nominator. He iro 22:29, 2 June 2013 (UTC) strike double vote, nomination for deletion implies a delete vote. --Cavarrone 08:22, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete straight outta Whackystan. Here's one involving magic mushrooms.Stenen Bijl (talk) 22:33, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Lack of signficant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. None of the sources used even come close to meeting our requirements, and my own Google searches turned up nothing even faintly promising. Article is a turmoiled mish-mash of pseudoscientific blither and puffery. Nothing worth salvaging or merging. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 22:44, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per the rationale. I'll note that this is the appropriate venue, rather blanking it. —MelbourneStar☆^talk 01:35, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- So, Mr. MelbourneStar, you're saying that restoring this text was appropriate, and that you stand behind the text that you restored, correct?Stenen Bijl (talk) 01:58, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yep. Because blanking an article that you see issues with (or just not having the time to discuss it), is the easy way out. Going through with an AfD discussion, is appropriate because you get the community's opinion. I believe 'deleting the article is appropriate - especially done via an AfD. It's simple procedure. —MelbourneStar☆^talk 04:47, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - I am not part of your "community" and do not wish to be. These junk articles are to begin with created and then perpetuated by your "community," so obviously that can't be the solution. I've blanked another one.[1]Stenen Bijl (talk) 08:00, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - You need to ask yourself what it is you want to achieve, and then what is the best to to achieve it. Blanking articles isn't a winning strat. Alexbrn ^{talk|contribs|COI} 08:06, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        I don't really much care about Wikipedia. Not my site. You need to ask yourself what it is that you want to achieve. Restoring dodgily-sourced bullshit isn't a winning strat. Sorry, did I use "strat" as if it were a word meaning "strategy?" My bad.Stenen Bijl (talk) 08:08, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — the nomination makes the case. Alexbrn ^{talk|contribs|COI} 06:09, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Has anyone reached out to Wikipedia editors from their nation to see if there's non-English language sources we're not using and should be? I would imagine that it would be hard to find English-language references for this person, but it does not mean they're not deserving of an article, either. Thargor Orlando (talk) 12:18, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to "reach out" if you are so inclined. He iro 12:24, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I have also searched in Spanish. Nothing useful there except the Shaefer book.There's a lot more about here in English, all in unreliable sources.Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 12:48, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete per nom. WP:SNOW] ?? Gaijin42 (talk) 13:52, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No evidence of notability. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:02, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Merge - Sadly, I can't find anything myself, but the book itself was reviewed by Publisher's Weekly and if the the subject is one of the detailed people covered that is a major point for GNG, fringe material or otherwise. I'd opt for a merge to International Council of 13 Indigenous Grandmothers at this point. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 23:59, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. L Faraone 02:33, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sketchfab

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Article appears to be an advertisement and does not meet notability standards as per WP:WEBCRIT and WP:CORPDEPTH. Additionally it relies almost exclusively on primary sources (blogs and the like) and its sole claim to award also fails to meet notability requirements. Ad Orientem (talk) 21:41, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - As the main editor of this article, I did not write it as a advertisement. I am following this startup from its creation, and decided it was time for it to have its Wikipedia page when they first raised money and then went to TechStars NY. These references on TechCrunch or RudeBaguette are reliable secondary sources regarding the product and its notability for WP:CORPDEPTH. As written in the article, awards earned by the website makes it for me passe the criteria of WP:WEBCRIT. This project is also linked to the OSG.JS WebGL library maintained by the creators of the website. It doesn't seem that OSG.JS existence on Wikipedia is discussed, and I am convinced that the notability is higher for the web service than the web page. --Pannini (talk) 19:18, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I have been trying as strongly & persistently as I can to remove advertisements from WP, but, like some other nominations from this editor, this is a straightforward factual article, not an advertisement. An article on the subject would be an advertisement if it was directed towards potential purchasers, giving detail only relevant to them, or if it talked about the advantages of the product, rather than just describing the main features, or if it used adjectives of praise instead of neutral terms. DGG ( talk ) 19:12, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I share DGG's sentiments, businesses are carefully scrutinized and wiped off Wikipedia for "ads" far more than they should be, this article seems to be straight forward and encyclopedic. It should remain. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:05, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Angie Miller (American singer). L Faraone 02:32, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You Set Me Free (Angie Miller Song)

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Fails WP:NSONG as it has not won any awards, charted, been released by multiple artists, or received much third-party coverage. Length does not warrant an article. ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 20:30, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - No evidence of any notability. Delete as per nom. Velella ^{Velella Talk} 21:55, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Does not pass WP:NSONG. Delete per nom. AuthorAuthor (talk) 15:57, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Angie Miller (American singer). The article fails WP:NSONG, but it is a legitimate search term that should redirect to the artist. Aspects (talk) 16:51, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Angie Miller (American singer). per above comment. 173.70.47.59 (talk) 17:35, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above. Also something weird with the inclusion at AFD has occurred, I can't figure it out though. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:06, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For some reason, the nomination was made without a section header... I have made one. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 01:16, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect - Changing Keep → Redirect based on points made above. AuthorAuthor (talk) 01:54, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete -- Y not? 15:25, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Asturix

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Non-notable, as noted below. Asturix is just a user adapter version of Ubuntu. There is no merit to it. Versions of which can be easily be done copying images and pasting them into a new version with Remastersys. Sources of the article are also related to the subject. There is an editor connected to the topic and who calls himself 'administrator' of the page. He's also insulting, calling others 'stupid' and does not provide sources of reference for his information. The 'developers' of Asturix have even copied the logo of the most prominent Spanish version Trisquel OsmanRF34 (talk) 20:10, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Distrowatch sais that Asturix is the 3rd Spanish distro, based on it "last six month" list, with 29 hits per day on its website (the most important one for distros)^[1]. As it shows, Asturix isn't a "user adapted version". What's more, it incorporates its own desktop interface, so that it isn't is a "remastersys ubuntu version". I call myself the "administrator" because I created and maintained it. And the logo was a creation of us, because Asturias (the origin of Asturix) and Galicia (the origen of Trisquel) share the celtic culture. That simbol is the logo of this culture, and it's called trisquel (search it if ou don't believe me). I think there is not any reason to delete this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richiguada (talk • contribs) 21:52, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Two more details: trisquel in English is triskelion, so the distro called trisquel copy the name and the logo, not us. --Richiguada (talk) 21:57, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Of course DW ins't a reliable way to measure the popularity of a distribution. But they FILTER the distributions they list, so they don't accept "slightly different from ubuntu distros". There are many reasons to accept the notabilty of Asturix. It has been noted by John "Maddog" Hall, here, it has been reviewed two times by DW, here and here. Genbeta, an important blog of software here in Spain, has also noted Asturix, here, and by a regional organization of CSIC's blogspot (CSIC is the most important spanish scientific association), here. Also, many spanish media has covered it, like La Nueva España, a regional newspaper, here, and in El Comercio, here. I think there isn't any evidence to say that Asturix isn't notable. What's more, the user OsmanRF34 is behaving with bias, and only because he don't like Asturix, rather than with a Wikipedia spirit. Also, his reasons are poor, and without any evidence. What's more, he is critizing my behavior instead of saying what's wrong with the article. His opinion don't have to be considered. Richiguada (talk) 09:10, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In my view, OsmanRF34 don't really know the purpose of Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia, so, if you don't like something (like, for example, OsmanRF34 don't like Asturix), you have to admit it, because it's knowledge. OsmanRF34 has comitted, some errors, like WP:GF (when he simply mark Asturix article to delete, when he hadn't said why), WP:COI (he don't like derivatives, so he is comitting a COI), WP:DNB (I am new here in the English Wikipedia, and he is using that to attack the article) and WP:GAME (he is using his knowledge to defend his point of view, instead of saying why this cannot be in Wikipedia). The articles I used are in an interval of several years, so it is not a "puntual" support. In spite of that OsmanRF34 hasn't already said any reason for the deletion, I am gonna said some more proofs of the notability of Asturix. CENATIC, a state run association, talks a lot about Asturix (here, here, here, and here. There are more mentions, but are less important). There are some important spanish-speaking blog, like Pillateunlinux (here), LinuxHispano (here), glatelier (here). Even we have been covered two times by Somos Libres, probably the most important linux blog in South America (here and here). I think that is stupid to say more and more evidences that Asturix REALLY HAS notability. Only two more proofs: there are almost 100.000 entries on Google if you search Asturix, and almost 500 entries if you do so on Youtube. To sum up, this is not a "used adapted distribution", and it notability says that. --Richiguada (talk) 14:39, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lastly, I think OsmanRF34's point of view is based on a great bias. If we think like him, Linux Mint has to deleted (it's a derivative, isn't it?), and all the minoritary distros, and all the spaniards ones (Guadalinex ,gnuLinEx, Linkat, LliureX, MAX, Molinux, Trisquel), and of course all the minoritary ones that appear here. If OsmanRF34 wants to delete the Asturix article, ok, do it, but BEFORE delete ALL the distros above mentioned. Firstly, OsmanRF34 should be unbiased, and then he will be able to do anything.--Richiguada (talk) 14:38, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In a final comment, I think OsmanRF34 should show us any evidence of which he say. Both we are with bias, but I am showing evidences, and he isn't. So, if he don't tell us some factual data he should be banned form WK, because someone who is with bias, and that acts with bad faith shouldn't be here, sorry.--Richiguada (talk) 14:38, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: DistroWatch Page Hit Ranking statistics are a light-hearted way of measuring the popularity of Linux distributions and other free operating systems among the visitors of the website. They correlate neither to usage nor to quality and should not be used to measure the market share of distributions. They simply show the number of times a distribution page on DistroWatch was accessed each day, nothing more. But even if it did measure usage of a distribution, Asturix would be only at place 229. Worse than DoudouLinux but slightly better than StressLinux. On the top of that, users of DistroWatch are allowed to submit their dist for inclusion in the site. Definitely, being there doesn't imply anything.

Having a different desktop environment doesn't imply notability either. KDE, GNOME, Xfce, LXDE, Unity, and Cinnamon cover almost all the ground in the area. Even if new desktop environments could get notable on their own, it's not up to WK to anticipate notability (which Asturix is far from reaching).

Above, Richiguada has confirmed again that he has a conflict of interest when editing this page. Add to this his bully attitude, which even leads him to say that "[he] only accept[s] the corrections if the accuser write first them in talk page." The page is not his private web-page. OsmanRF34 (talk) 23:53, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I think the author mis-understood the purpose of WK. It's specifically not trying to be a directory on all possible versions of anything, including Linux distributions. If one of them had some blog exposure one time, it won't make it notable, I'm afraid.

WK is not a free hosting site for information on each and every insignificant Linux distribution that has ever been created. If you really want a WK article on your distro, please do so on a public wikifarm. Yes, the fortune 500s have all good articles, because they are notable. But should we create 500 articles for Linux distros?

The strange thing about the post "by [the] CSIC blog (CSIC is the most important spanish scientific association)" is that it is hosted by blogspot. Is it endorsed at all by CSIC or is it just some blogger posting about a lot of topics? Anyway, I don't see that as establishing notability either.

I still maintain my criticism to the behavior of the self-proclaimed "administrator" of the page. OsmanRF34 (talk) 11:40, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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You are comitting WP:EQ ("Argue facts, not personalities.") Richiguada ~ усилий и слава 17:09, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete Yes, the editors who want to keep the article mostly have the burden of proof on notability. If there were some reliable independent sources then it might be notable some day. The current article does not cite any independent sources at all. The "roadmap" link seems dead. Maybe if there were releases in the past two years, there might have been some reporting of it at least in the trade press? Spanish language sources would count, but do not see any independent ones. W Nowicki (talk) 22:39, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me, sir, but, dont you see Linux Mag and DistroWatch as "trade press"? If the sources I have shown aren't "independent sources", I don't really know what's "independent sources". Perphaps NYT, Huffington and so on? Sorry, but they will never cover linux issues. Sorry if I am being unpolite, but of course the article is quite old, because there have been new releases and many things, and the article hasn't been renewed, but I don't think that it deserves a deletion. Richiguada ~ усилий и слава 23:13, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As it happens, both the New York Times and Huffington Post have extensively reported on Linux. If you had mattered to do the research before posting here you would have seen that. But the problem is not this. The problem is that some blogs reporting about some trivial aspect of Asturix or some random press releases years ago do not constitute notability. It makes it look more like Vaporware than something properly maintained. If it were the subject of manuals or were used at educational institutions of any level, then it would be a different story. OsmanRF34 (talk) 11:46, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do you consider "vaporware" to appear in Linux Mag (here). Even Trisquel doesn't appear there (look at that). Why don't you delete the trisquel article before? Richiguada ~ усилий и слава 13:12, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's a blog post from 2011, hosted at Linux Mag and that matches the definition of vaporwater, confirming its non-notable status. It makes some noise but doesn't deliver nor is canceled.

If I am not wrong, that blog is a section of the printed magazine. At least, I am sure (because I have seen it) that the spanish version of Linux Mag have that section translated in Spanish. So if the spanish edition have it printed, it's obvious that the original one also has it. Richiguada ~ усилий и слава 16:41, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Even then, that would not fulfill WP:GNG or WP:NSOFT. It's a blog reporting about a trivial aspect of something. Simply recognizing the existence of something doesn't make it notable.

PS: if you believe the Trisquel article should be deleted, you could place it into AfD. OsmanRF34 (talk) 13:18, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails WP:N, non-notable subject as illustrated by the lack of third party independent references cited. - Ahunt (talk) 19:18, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Fully NOTEable review here, passing mentions in dead-tree form. Maury Markowitz (talk) 16:55, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This single source is from January 24, 2012, mentioning a trivial aspect of the desktop customization. Getting once attention from a source would only confirm its existence, but even then, Asturix neither had a historical role, nor panned out since then, becoming a notable product.WP:NSOFT should be used to analyze it here. Besides that, since when is Hectic Geek - on paper or not - a notable source? Being printed does not imply notability. OsmanRF34 (talk) 17:32, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is a real review in a real source that meets all requirements for NOTEability. Can you offer a counterargument? Is it self-published? Non-independant? Recall that under NSOFT, which you suggest we consider here, states that "It is not unreasonable to allow relatively informal sources[3] for free and open source software". This is far more "real" than that level. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:45, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that hectic geek is non-notable either. See below. Olmerta (talk) 14:34, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding informal sources, yes, they can be considered, but there is no need to consider them. If a Benevolent Dictator for Life makes a comment in a relevant forum, then it's an informal source that cannot even be ignored. But in this case, it looks like an article mill commenting about any topic. OsmanRF34 (talk) 16:01, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - although some blogs have recognized its creation some years ago, it has not more than an anecdotal value. Lack of sources in the recent past imply it didn't catch on. Olmerta (talk) 21:04, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is not temporary, if an RS considered it notable at any time, it is notable now. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:45, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but Asturix was non notable then, and hecticgeek is no RS. Hecticgeek is not an informal source of reference for the linux community. Or do you believe Asturix had historical value and presently has become deprecated? Their references is not more than a press release, simply stating Asturix's existence, not stating its importance, which is honestly none. Olmerta (talk) 14:34, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Going over the Hectic Geek website it all seems be written and published by one person under a pseudonym. It doesn't see to be a WP:RS and I would bet it is WP:SPS. - Ahunt (talk) 15:01, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I thought this was precisely what the NSOFT was talking about, but it appears I am wrong. KEEP withdrawn. SNOW close? Maury Markowitz (talk) 19:08, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SNOW would be appropriate from my point of view, given the consensus and that the AfD has been already running 6 days, which is fair enough. Although it won't make any difference to let it run one more day. OsmanRF34 (talk) 15:39, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per NSOFT. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:07, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. From the 101 show to tons of cat books - help improve the article perhaps (heck, even Google Book Aegean cat). SarahStierch (talk) 16:35, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Aegean cat

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Doesn't seem to be notable. There's an episode of Cats 101 about it, and it's mentioned in this self published book but other than that I can't find anything about it - it's not even mentioned on the Feline Federation of Greece's website (who apparently are developing this as a breed) or on FiFE, their parent organization's site. TKK ^{bark !} 21:06, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I see plenty of potentially good sources online. Bearian (talk) 17:57, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Could you share these sources please? Because, based on the current text, this article is struggling to achieve notability. 1292simon (talk) 10:56, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I see lots of articles on Google, Google news, etc., but can't read Greek. Bearian (talk) 14:03, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or incubate. Lacking sources at the moment. 1292simon (talk) 07:00, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The Animal Planet coverage alone is an RS and I think the issue may be that Greek sources need to be found. Without the Greek name, I can't find anything else myself. I need more to go on as I cannot speak Greek. A declared "national treasure" is the notability claim for this article which is sourced. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:14, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. L Faraone 02:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Maclean's Music

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This is a very obscure racehorse who never competed in, let alone won any major event Tigerboy1966 13:12, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Racehorse that won its one and only start but was later injured and has been retired to stud. WP:BLP1E? WP:MILL? I can't find any specific guidelines for equine notability; but judging by the comments at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-07-30/WikiProject report, I'd say that this article fails to establish (or even make a credible claim for) the notability of Maclean's Music. Deor (talk) 16:07, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Doesn't pass GNG or N. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:15, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus to delete -- Y not? 15:27, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Etzler

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To me this fails basic criteria for notability. Figured it should be opened up to discussion though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Basic_criteria Sulfurboy (talk) 13:40, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Further comment I left on talk page: The majority of the article relies on Etzler's linkdin profile. Outside of blog business websites and a couple of IU articles , I see no significant media coverage, and certainly none in any higher rung sources. Sulfurboy (talk) 22:18, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: [3] and [4] are independent sources that might establish notability. Edge3 (talk) 09:19, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Found sources help push to GNG, but the article needs more work to be safe from deletion in the future. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:17, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Per Schmidt. SarahStierch (talk) 16:36, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Chemistry (2013 film)

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This Telugu film does not appear to meet WP:NFILMS at all. It is unclear whether it has been released or not - this article claims it was to be released on 24 May but I fail to find any trace of reviews or any form of mention of the film, other than promotional blurbs, and there had been an earlier article from the same source saying the release date was April 19... While imdb.com is not a reliable source, it is relevant that the film is not listed there; there is a 2013 Indian film called Chemistry ([5]) but that's a Hindi film with a different cast and director. And finally, Amitha Rao and Sri Ram Kodali do have imdb pages, but those do not mention Chemistry. bonadea contributions talk 09:28, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Note, by the way, that a previous incarnation of the article, Chemistry (2012 film), was up for AfD a year ago, but was blanked by the author and speedy deleted. (I can't remember anything about the 2012 article, though I did PROD tag it at one point, but I assume it was in fact about the same film even though the name is obviously not unique.) --bonadea contributions talk 09:41, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: While coverage is scarce in English, this released film does appear sourcable in the Telugu language:(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL). Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 11:47, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Since my comment above, I have had a chance to look somewhat further per hints within the article, and review the Telugu language sources through Google translate. The article's current source tells us that filming has been completed (also confirmed here: [6]), and as it is finally released [7] and has received coverage, even if most is non-English, it passes WP:NF. It needs the attention of Telugu-reading Wikipedians, but does not merit deletion. And to the nominator, I can only offer that there are MANY released Indian productions who do not get themselves listed at the non-RS IMDB. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 21:30, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Schmidt's findings. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:18, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. —Tom Morris (talk) 21:29, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Campaign to Cut Waste

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Generic executive order. Doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG, seems quite promotional to boot. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 17:11, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Not exactly the B-class article the page author self-assessed it to be. Dea db eef 07:04, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Does not meet N or GNG, Obama signs a lot of executive orders, this one is not unique or special. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:19, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. L Faraone 02:42, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Wilson (ice hockey born 1992)

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Amateur player who fails to meet WP:NHOCKEY. Can be recreated when/if he meets it or otherwise achieves notability. Was a contested prod based on there are other worse pages that haven't been deleted. DJSasso (talk) 17:06, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Wilson was Hockey East Rookie of the Year in 2011-12 and then led Quinnipiac in scoring for 2012-13, by far the most successful season the program has ever had. PensRule11385 (talk) 11:03, 27 May 2013 (CST)

Neither of which are criteria in WP:NHOCKEY. The only way to meet nhockey for a college player is to be an all-time top ten career scorer, First Team All-Star or an All-American. Otherwise they need to meet wp:gng which he does not. -DJSasso (talk) 01:48, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I think Djsasso is correct, this subject does not (at present) meet our current criteria for notable Hockey players. That said, I kinda want to keep him based on the awards. But that's why we have criteria, I guess. Does the team have an article for its ground-breaking 2012-2013 season? Expanded discussion there might be a way to go, as discussing the contributions of individual players would fit well with a narrative about a good year for the program. UltraExactZZ ^Said~ Did 13:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. It's true that he doesn't meet WP:NHOCKEY but an argument can be made that he meets WP:GNG. This, this, this and this constitutes coverage about Wilson specifically in reasonably reliable sources. This is a little weaker but it's not completely insignificant. He also got some media coverage when he won rookie of the year (example). All in all, I think he just barely passes the bar. Pichpich (talk) 14:21, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Aside from the blog entry, Pichpich has found some sources which push to GNG. NHOCKEY aside, seems to have non-routine coverage to warrant inclusion. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:24, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. —Tom Morris (talk) 21:29, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Bustamante

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Recreation of an article previously deleted by PROD. Concern was This page clearly fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Plus most of the info on this page wrong. Factual accuracy seems to have been addressed, but the notability concerns remain valid. Sir Sputnik (talk) 19:45, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - First of all, the concern now is that he made a U.S. Open Cup appearance against a PDL team which doesn't satisfy WP:NFOOTY because the PDL isn't fully pro. That being said, still fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. – Michael (talk) 21:39, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 18:17, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - doesn't meet notability guidelines at this point, due to not having a significant football career. C 679 08:49, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Walls of Jericho (talk) 17:52, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No appearances in pro and doesn't meet GNG. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:25, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Please undo delete he debuted July 13th against the Montreal Impact.Elop76 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.105.84.57 (talk) 13:57, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. —Tom Morris (talk) 21:29, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Modisumer

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Non-notable neologism which appears to be a marketing buzzword originating from Korea. The cited source, a Korean article, also mentions socialsumer, curasumer, metasumer, sposumer, beautysumer, and twinsumer, but none of those has hit Wikipedia yet. The Korean language may be more tolerant of made-up hybrids like this, but here WP:NEO takes a conservative view, requiring evidence that a new term is discussed in secondary sources, not just that it is used, and says: "Articles on neologisms are commonly deleted, as these articles are often created in an attempt to use Wikipedia to increase usage of the term.". Re-created after PROD deletion ten days ago, so I bring it here. JohnCD (talk) 19:43, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as PRODder no. 2. Ignatz mice•talk 19:58, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As it is a non-notable neologism. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. —Tom Morris (talk) 21:29, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wings of Steel: The Film

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Non-notable unreleased independent documentary film (now titled Assault on El Capitan). Not covered by third-party sources. jonkerz ♠talk 19:38, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. There just isn't anything out there to show that this documentary is notable or even ever released. Most of what I found were either primary sources (such as the director's Kickstarter campaign) or junk hits. What was left wasn't usable either as far as notability goes. I wish him well, but this just doesn't pass notability guidelines. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:38, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for failure of WP:NF. The project exists, but has not received commentary and analysis (IE:Coverage} in independent sources. Last (nont independent) Indiegogo reports were from six months ago. If this one ever does receive proper coverage, we can either allow a new article or undelete and properly expand and source it. For now this is simply TOO SOON. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 00:07, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per N and GNG. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. L Faraone 02:42, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pokemon Ash Gray

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No indication of notability, no significant third-party coverage, not a part of the official franchise. Huon (talk) 18:37, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose A quick Google search proves that there is some other coverage if you look carefully. Also whether it is part of the official franchise is irrelevant. If that were the case nobody could have articles on any hack games.Pug6666 18:58, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Can you mention what the coverage is because the nominator did not say that there was no coverage but that there was not significant third coverage witch is a different story entirely? We need to know if the coverage will make the article meet the guideline of WP:N, and having a list of sources would make that easier to do. I do agree that not being part of the official franchise is not a good reason for deletion though.--174.95.111.89 (talk) 01:57, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, there isn't. Please provide links to the sources you claim to exist. Satellizer el Bridget ^ツ 05:56, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - This entry in particular, doesn't have the reliable, third party sources necessary to establish the WP:GNG.

A note for source hunters: This entry is an unofficial fan game. There are many hits out there in Google searches that will have nothing to do with this particular topic, due to the title's ties to words that do mean something in other aspects of the Pokémon series:

Ash is the main character of Pokémon games.
Pokémon Gray was a rumored/trademarked name for an official Nintendo game that (so far) never surfaced.

Once you separate out any of those "false hits", you'll see there's no coverage from sources that WikiProject Video Games considers reliable. Sergecross73 msg me 14:22, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Hack games are less likely to be covered by media. Also there is not much dispute on it's existence.Pug6666 22:19, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On Wikipedia, notability is largely decided on coverage though. So saying things like that is more of a reason why it should be deleted. (There's a reason why there are very few articles about unofficial fan games/hacks. It's because of that lack of third party sources.) Also, on Wikipedia, Existence does not prove notability. Sergecross73 msg me 01:42, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non-notable fan game. Satellizer el Bridget ^ツ 05:56, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No coverage in RS and is an unofficial hacked game. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:33, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - non-notable game with none of the requisite substantial coverage in reliable sources. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:19, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete: It doesn't even say why it's notable.—Ryulong (琉竜) 09:26, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per above. Mr T ^(Talk?) ^{(New thread?)} 09:36, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Escape the Fate discography. Merge. Perhaps a fan can help to expand the article about the discography. And the demo album sources are really poor regarding reliable sourcing. SarahStierch (talk) 16:37, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Escape the Fate (demo album)

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Can't find an reliable sources to support this demo's notability. AllMusic is a review for a different album. Remainder are blog entries. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:09, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Escape the Fate discography - I'm an ETF fan and I didn't even realize they had this demo. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 11:20, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete If it had reliable/numerous sources then it could be a stand alone article, but unfortunately it doesn't. I call the big one bitey (talk) 15:22, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep have refs, and is of a notable band. Capchars2 (talk) 04:27, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge have refs, is from a notable band, well written. If not then merge with "There's No Sympathy For The Dead". 90.209.252.11 (talk) 09:25, 31 May 2013 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd[reply]

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Merge per above, the sources are blog post and minor sources, does not meet stand alone article requirements. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:34, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. L Faraone 02:43, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

NEA (Internet)

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This NEA abbreviation is unheard of outside the cited essay from 2003. Orphan page besides links from essay authors. Perhaps an attempt at defining a buzzword which didn't catch on. Irrelevant to an encyclopedia. — JFG ^talk 17:06, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, if you read their original essay, section 8, the authors themselves didn't mention NEA as an acronym, it just happens to be the initials of three attributes of the Internet discussed in the text. Probably someone was overly fascinated by this quote and decided to bring its resounding glory to Wikipedia… — JFG ^talk 11:00, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge, without deletion, if possible, to help preserve the article history and keep potential for further potential quality improvements in the future. — Cirt (talk) 20:37, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per neologism rule. Do not see where it could be merged, unless there is some article on buzzwords that people try to promote by creating Wikipedia articles on them? :-) W Nowicki (talk) 22:25, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I agree, no where to merge it seems. A minor note is on their article pages already, but serves no real purpose. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:38, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. —Tom Morris (talk) 21:22, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Tree2mydoor

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This article is an advertisement for a non-notable product. It is obviously written by the company and includes a returns policy for products. There is no encyclopedic content. Francis Hannaway (talk) 16:13, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Non-notable promotion (although it's not entirely an advert, see the part about the return policy). 069952497a^{Comments and complaints}_{Stuff I've done} 19:33, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Notability not really claimed in article and searches find nothing to establish notability. Mcewan (talk) 20:52, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete -- Looks to me like a NN mail-order tree nursery. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:47, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Does not meet GNG or N. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:38, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. L Faraone 02:43, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff Hammond (pornographic actor)

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Fails PORNBIO and the GNG. No legitimate claim of notability included in article. All nontrivial GNews/GBooks hits appear to refer to different people. Prod removed by now-blocked disruptive sockpuppet as part of spree edits. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 15:48, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails notability criteria WP:PORN and WP:GNG. Finnegas (talk) 21:40, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This article was kept in the previous AfD on the grounds that Hammond is iconic and that the article was improved during the discussion. I find these arguments unconvincing without reliable sources. The sources added were unreliable and much of the article's content was poorly-sourced fluff that has since been removed. Fails GNG. My searches for RS coverage got only a passing mention at GayVN. No credible claim for passing PORNBIO without RS support. • Gene93k (talk) 02:17, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as a GNG fail and a "Citation Needed" circus. Carrite (talk) 02:55, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete because it fails PORN and GNG. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:43, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no claim of notability. Cavarrone 09:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. L Faraone 02:44, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Alaura Eden

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Fails WP:PORNBIO and the GNG, no reliably sourced biographical content. Only one nom not scene-related. All GNews/GBooks hits are trivial or spurious. PROD removed with the comment "Wikipedia does not have that many articles on porn stars of Asian descent," which even if accurate would not justify keeping an article failing the GNG and the relevant SNGs. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 15:34, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:PORN and WP:GNG indeed.Truth or consequences-2 (talk) 18:26, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails notability criteria WP:PORN and WP:GNG. Finnegas (talk) 21:37, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Nominator's assessment is correct. Fails GNG with only trivial RS coverage. Fails PORNBIO with only one award nomination as an individual. • Gene93k (talk) 00:29, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails N and GNG. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:46, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) czar · · 03:32, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ranini Cundasawmy

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Not considered notable either through WP:KICK or WP:NMMA Peter Rehse (talk) 14:30, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: per WP:MANOTE#Martial artists, WP:BIO and WP:GNG: national Muay Thai champion two years in a row, winner of first official female-male Muay Thai match in the country, with in-depth articles about her in mainstream national press, some of which aren't online but can be found in the scanned newspaper archive in the external links. Captain Conundrum (talk) 07:54, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep meets GNG. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:49, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I believe there's enough coverage to show she meets WP:GNG. I don't think she meets WP:MANOTE by being the champion of a country with 1/6 the population of Chicagoland nor does amateur Muay Thai meet WP:KICK, but that doesn't matter since GNG trumps all. Jakejr (talk) 03:17, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find anything in WP:MANOTE about competitors from small countries not being as notable as competitors from large ones. Captain Conundrum (talk) 08:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It would depend on your definition of "significant event". For example, previous discussions have determined that being the boxing champion of New York (which has a much larger population) is not sufficient to show notability and I would claim that the New York boxing title has far more competitors and is (arguably) more significant than the Mauritania female MT championship. Jakejr (talk) 14:08, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Note the nominator's withdrawal without any delete !votes. (non-admin closure) Michaelzeng7 (talk) 01:19, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rama Jyoti Vernon

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The article cites only one truly independent source, a brief article in the New York Times, which mentions Vernon only once. Thus the article fails to prove WP:Notability Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:46, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn by nominator Sources added since the nomination demonstrate adequate general notability outside of the "yoga community". Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:00, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Yoga Journal not considered an independent source? Even though Vernon was one of it's founders, it has been bought and sold many times since then and she has no affiliation with it. Check out the Yoga Journal page for it's history. (Or the rest of the sources, for that matter?)Yogininan (talk) 15:38, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Obviously I wouldn't have moved this article from AfC to article space if I didn't think it had merit. It is notable to have been a cofounder of what is now one of the major magazines for yoga. I will also add more references. heather walls (talk) 17:25, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I have added references to two books as well as Hinduism Today and Yoga Life - I think there are sufficient references at this point to warrant keeping this article.Yogininan (talk) 02:33, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Passes GNG. This is one of those areas where if you aren't really into yoga you might not be as aware of what is a secondary reliable source in the yoga community. Yoga Times Yoga Journal and LA Yoga are pretty important publications - now and then. SarahStierch (talk) 21:26, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Are they truly Independent sources? My concern is that there is only one reference (the NYT) outside of the "yoga community" which, aiui, can be very much like a walled garden. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:37, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Reply I'm not sure what sort of book would be written about a yoga practitioner that was not a book about yoga. :) Furthermore, there is currently at least one more reference that appeared in The Morning Call which is not a small, local or yoga-related paper.
    - Comment The diversity of sources has improved since the nomination. Newspapers are exactly the kind of sources it needed - sources that have no interest in promoting yoga or its leaders. It also demonstrates that the subject has been noted by people outside of the "inner circle" of yoga fans. Sourcing an article like this exclusively from "yoga publications" is like sourcing an article about Obama exclusively from White House press releases - the voices of critics would be absent. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:54, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Rama Jyoti Vernon is an important woman in the history of American yoga. Book: Yogini : The Power of Women in Yoga by Janice Gates InfinityBird (talk) 18:36, 6 June 2013 (UTC)InfinityBird[reply]

Keep She is considered to have had a significant impact in at least two cultural communities -- yoga and pacifism -- and is mentioned as a significant woman in the history of yoga (book mentioned above) -- I'd say the desirable thing is to try to improve the article, rather than take it down. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 00:15, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Passes GNG, I think this was a proper approval from AFC, it is a fine beginning for an article. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:51, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Now it is, but wasn't when I nominated it. See my comment above about diversity of sources. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:54, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:55, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Free Press (magazine)

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Non-notable magazine. Article does not include multiple, reliable and secondary sources to establish notability. — Nearly Headless Nick {c} 07:58, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: An AfD was already proposed by this nominator for the editor, Vinod Jose, of this Malayalam-language magazine. At the time of its publication, he was the youngest founder of such a magazine and it included a widely reprinted 2006 interview with Afzal Guru. That said, the article does need work, but the WP:Heymann effort is currently focused on Jose's main article.Crtew (talk) 00:48, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: There is a good reason to "keep" this Malayalam-language, investigative journalism publication rather than just "merge" it with Vinod K. Jose. It includes this notability statement, "Free Press was the first publication to have initiated the concept of Citizen Journalism in Kerala." It also has a long list of noteworthy investigations. And the publication figures in the article are large enough to show that it was not a fly by night operation. I'll be adding more sources, but it would help if somebody who knows Malayalam can search as that was the key language of its important work. Like other Malayalam journalists and publications, it's at a disadvantage in AfD as Google (Google advanced search doesn't include Malayalam) and other search tools, don't retrieve articles in that language.Crtew (talk) 08:28, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The following article gives useful leads but if somebody can help locate the original publication source (possibly The Meantime), then it can be properly used: "For A Free Press" Counter Currents (July 20, 2005), which is about Vinod K. Jose's early career while he was with Free Press and before The Caravan.

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Keep Agreed with Crtew, pointless nomination. Fai zan 07:51, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, noteworthy journalism periodical publication. — Cirt (talk) 06:44, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Please make policy-based rationales for deleting the article; discussions of actions on other wikis are not very relevant to its existence on the English Wikipedia. This debate was relisted to allow for more policy-based discussion to occur. L Faraone 12:26, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It was a noteworthy publication for its publication of a widely reprinted and translated article, investigative journalism in India, early citizen journalism, and the personnel associated with it, as well as a Malayalam publication. Fresh sources were added. Crtew (talk) 15:02, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It made a major impact and its censorship came as a result of its citizen journalism success. While it may not have a lot of English sources, I'm sure plenty exist and that those too may be difficult to find as a result, but it is a notable subject. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. —Tom Morris (talk) 21:21, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Maniak (2008)

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Non-notable short film. Little to no third-party coverage. The director's main article and 2013 short film have already been nominated for deletion. jonkerz ♠talk 12:22, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - The film's producer was spamming these films and the director across Wikipedia until they were blocked for a username violation. This article lacks available reliable sources and fails WP:NFILM. - Mr X 12:49, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Can't find any notability-establishing media trace, either.Truth or consequences-2 (talk) 15:01, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - This is billed as an 18-minute film and next to nothing can be found in an internet search. It takes a lot to make such a short film notable and this film fails to prove any notability. Bill Pollard (talk) 06:02, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for failing WP:NF. other articles aside, this film exists, was screened, but in searches for it and its creator I find it has no coverage. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 00:10, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Doesn't pass GNG or N. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:56, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Fibrosis and related Concepts in Organ Diseases, Tumor Biology and Regenerative Medicine selected bibliography 2013 April and its parent Fibrosis and related Concepts in Organ Diseases, Tumor Biology and Regenerative Medicine selected bibliography

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This is not encyclopaedic content, but a bibliography on extremely obscure subject, which seems very much original research. Barney the barney barney (talk) 11:53, 2 June 2013 (UTC) Barney the barney barney (talk) 11:53, 2 June 2013 (UTC) WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE collection of non-information. Barney the barney barney (talk) 16:23, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"A Bibliography page presents a list of relevant books, journal or other references for a subject area. Bibliographies are useful for expanding Further Reading topics for Summary style articles."

Source: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lists#List_articles

Inclusion criteria for wp are met.

Resource is migrated from wikisource: Wikisource:Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#Fibrosis_and_related_Concepts_in_Organ_Diseases.2C_Tumor_Biology_and_Regenerative_Medicine_selected_bibliography_2013_April

--Ossip Groth (talk) 12:00, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the fact it's not Wikisource content doesn't make it Wikipedia content. Barney the barney barney (talk) 12:57, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This argument has a strong intrinsic logic, but it is not content-related.

--Ossip Groth (talk) 14:38, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Not encyclopedia material. The scope and the search terms are arbitrary, as is the period. This is useless for WP purposes. I also have to wonder whether the author, who is advocating for keeping own article here, is just fishing for publications by assigning an ISBN number to a database dump. Finally, as a search of a single database this looks scarily like a path to WP:COPYVIO.Truth or consequences-2 (talk) 15:11, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Scope and search terms are arbitrary The author's work is to decide what the bibliography should cover, and the search terms are not arbitrary, they are those which the author used to run the search. The period is monthly, if one looks exactly, it is the actual possible month to be published on may 31th. It is not a database dump - the dump has 5200, the personally filtered load is 0965. So, there is no copyright violation; Abstracts are not included - this could be cv.

This category contains for example these items, which have a similarity to this one because they are subjective bibliographies:

Bibliography of ecology

List of important publications in chemistry

List_of_important_publications_in_computer_science

List_of_important_publications_in_medicine - even this survived.

--Ossip Groth (talk) 15:25, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Correct me if I'm wrong but with regards to this sort of thing, that you mention, "Wikipedia articles on list of important publications in this sort of thing" contain a list of publicatios which themselves have or at least have potential to have Wikipedia articles on them. Also, "chemistry", "computer science" and "medicine" are all very broad subjects. This is just a list of papers that don't have Wikipedia articles or apparently any potential, and on a very obscure subject area, "Fibrosis and related Concepts in Organ Diseases, Tumor Biology and Regenerative Medicine" which itself is redlinked. Barney the barney barney (talk) 15:32, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

PS if this is the output for April 2013, I'm not sure I can wait for the episodes for May and June. Barney the barney barney (talk) 21:14, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete this is not encyclopedic content. There are criteria for lists and this does not meet them; for example, entries in this list are not important/notable based on secondary sources. -- Scray (talk) 15:31, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

High Scary, nice to see you. This is a list of papers which entered pubmed in april 2013, most of which is primary scientific work, of course, scientific work is not important/notable per se. And tell me, how should 6-week-old papers get mentioned in the secondary literature unless someone put them on twitter, or into the news media, cell for example...

personal attack redacted per original editor's intent expressed below

--Ossip Groth (talk) 15:46, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you redact that personal attack on Barney. -- Scray (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Did so but got edit conflict.

--Ossip Groth (talk) 15:57, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have now done the redaction for you, as you suggest you intended. -- Scray (talk) 17:13, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. So now we have it from Ossip Groth that the pieces on this list are not notable. So what we have is a list of non-notable items whose notability cannot be established by this same logic.Truth or consequences-2 (talk) 18:24, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete~~ -- This is basically the output of a pubmed search, and that doesn't seem encyclopedic to me. I question how useful this would be on Wikipedia. Anyone who might benefit from this article would already know how to perform this search themselves and would not search here for such specialized content anyway, they would go to pubmed surely. I would also comment that comparison with other articles like "list of important publications in so and so" could be argued to be invalid since these articles contain "important publications", and this just seems to be raw output of a search. Lesion (talk) 20:58, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I would add that the layout is poor and makes no attempt to follow MOS guidelines. The wording of the content that isn't the search items themselves is odd..."The search has been run with the author's application at http://www.kidney.de" (self promotion?), "Resource migrated from wikisource, is as encyclopedic as the other lists of the choosen category (see below)" (this comment would have been better placed on the talkpage, it is not encyclopedic). I am left with a strong feeling of possible OR and WP:COI (the content seems to be promotion of "the author" and the program used). Ossip Groth, please have a glance at especially the second policy if you were already not aware of it. Lesion (talk) 21:03, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

a) It is 965/5200 of the output. On a 12 months perspective, it shriks-off 50.000 citations. The humanized result is interdisciplinary and contains some ischemia-reperfusion stuff as well, so it gives good ideas form the nephrology point of view. It is no raw output, sure, output is not tagged (no problem by my software which runs other things) to more nephrology, more oncology, more tgf beta, not concept-related but retrieved in search because of the wide overlap.
b) the layout is designed to give a readable list of citations since standard wp style is totally unreadable (it does not differ from standard citation styles but it is unreadable). Any changes wanted make a 20 min edit in my visual basic program (data not shown) and a run of 5 min until upped. Some hint on the methods used (who would run a 5000 item search on ncbi pubmed, and copypaste or by what means ever 1000 citations ??????) is good scientific practice. The stupid line resource migrated from... went into the text after del.
c) since the original version is published in print (so first, anchored to wsource) and this mirrored version is a gift to mankind all data which are in the official book are reflected here.
d) if someone comes to the opinion that i promote own work i could argue that this bibliography promotes the work of 965 groups.
e) it is somewhat more intelligent to write by ip via proxy from somewhat-more abroad than i am located or by a bunch of dissociated personalities than to write under free-name, but there is no regulation that the latter should not be allowed.
f) if anybody is concerned with the question how one could improve things in an environment which is non-supporting at all, he or she too, would spend the 20$€ for the 2.5 GB with full traffic and get things running.
g) I will slightly cut the article to its contents, others dont say from which shoeboxes and usbs they scratched their references.

seconds. --Ossip Groth (talk) 22:43, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The main difference between e.g. List_of_important_publications_in_medicine and this article is that the former is much shorter, and seems to be populated with landmark papers or works by historically important people. By what method has the search been reduced from 5200 to 965? From your explanation above, I think you have hand-searched through the hits that were generated from the initial search to select what you consider important. Is that OR? And these are from April 2013...are you intending to make more of these articles or is this a one-off project? I note that this content was proposed for deletion on wikisource...is this your main motivation for creating this wikipedia article? I also note that you previously created pages on wikipedia about some of the programs or projects you are involved in/created, and that some of these have been deleted (e.g. Metatextbook of medicine). Is this article an attempt for you to advertise your program after those articles were deleted? I ask these Qs because I am honestly confused about why you put this content on wikipedia, what purpose is it supposed to have? Besides a gift to all mankind (call me ungrateful). We are here to write an encyclopedia...and this content just seems out of place, even alongside other pages in Category:Lists_of_publications_in_science. Lesion (talk) 23:52, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The May 2013 issue is parsed at item 3000/4200 and it will be ready tomorrow. One article says, Cimetidine inhibits Myeloid derived dendritic cells, another, a peptide from Osteopontin shrinks Oxalosis calcifications. It is useless to succumb the stuff on amazing, WP is a resource where people are expected to seek for information contained in bibliographies like that Epithelial–mesenchymal_transition has been viewed 7477 times in the last 30 days.. Theres no problem into upping a set of pdfs or better-operating htmls on external servers. The motivation to make a List article defaulted from wsource. A 1000-items bibliography is not expected to get people googling around what the author generally does. It is a nice thing to get something accepted.

--Ossip Groth (talk) 01:03, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I take Ossip Groth's last point, "It is a nice thing to get something accepted", to confirm that s/he thinks of WP articles as refereed publications for which s/he can gain professional or personal rewards. This is consistent with the assignment of an ISBN number to a WP article, which would also allow commercial gain (though the author does not claim such intent at this time). But perhaps I am being too harsh, and lack of clarity is the issue.Truth or consequences-2 (talk) 14:42, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This is an encyclopedia. There is already a thing called "Google Scholar" to serve the purpose of this article. Solomon7968 (talk) 23:10, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete on the merits. Not to suggest that some of these papers might not end up in articles as sources, of course - but we neither need nor want a bibliography to contain them. And, at 965 entries, this list is bloated to the point of uselessness. I concur that it is nice to get something accepted - but that has emphatically not happened here, nor is there any personal glory or credit if it were accepted. UltraExactZZ ^Said~ Did 12:39, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Both the ISBN and the reference to "the author" Ossip Groth has been happy to remove, so this comment is retrospective. If I assume good faith, maybe s/he just pasted the article straight from wikisource, where perhaps reference to an author and an ISBN might have been more appropriate (I don't know, I don't use wikisource much), but in addition to Truth or Consequences' comment above about the ISBN, I am fairly sure we should never refer to the editor who has written the wikipedia article in the article space itself. Wikipedia articles do not conceptually have a single author with copyrights and intellectual rights over the content, even if only one editor has written the page, and then no further editors ever edit after this-- which is an unlikely scenario. As soon as you click "save page" the content is no longer yours- you have waived all rights to it and it is CC-BY-SA or whatever. Read this, it's written right below the save page button for legal reasons. Lesion (talk) 12:59, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

General review of the discussion and proposal of a namespace bib:

- There is essential no-one who supports the basic idea to have some special supplemental oligotopic bibliography which could be related to some 50 wikipedia articles with topic overlap. If we subtract the useless comments concerning self-representative work, cross-site linking, sensitivity-specificity characteristics of the example bibliography, and some emotional expressions which result from other discussions, the following valid arguments could be extracted:

Non-encyclopedic (at least 3 times)
Users would run PubMed searches on-their own
we neither need nor want a bibliography(...)

Correct me if I should lie wrong, but the essence of the critique is very, very weak. A bibliographic supplemental material which is linkable to other wiki articles is per definition non-encyclopedic and, as shown in my first post, WP wants bibliographis: :'A Bibliography page presents a list of relevant books, journal or other references for a subject area. Bibliographies are useful for expanding Further Reading topics for Summary style articles. The bibliography contains a description of search terms used and time-range applied so users get inspired to make some use of them. We do not want... The problem in democracy and in the application of democratic methods lies in the fact of representativeness; whereas many discussants are in medical topics, no-one goes into the concrete theme and discusses the roc of the one bibliography. So, the basic field is not represented, most are wp-editors familial with deciding where wp ends and where anarchy starts. (My undedited wp got 1GB spam until I flagged localsettings.php by-invitation only). Standard wikipedia readers would not invest their time into discussions like this because 95% of similar discussions concern single off-topic subjects like 30-bed hospitals on the moon, not landmark topics like this which reflects the technical vs. social property of wikipedia to get enhanced in a way it did not develop by itself until now, and it is the basic question if it is reasonable to stop a landmark complementation by these poor arguments supplied even by the interested community just by counting pros minus cons and dividing by pros which gives not resistive index, not 100% but infinity. There is no one who discusses the implication of enabling bibliographies which are more than 1:1 content matches of a wp article and would find their place in the read.more section- what to do with stubs, with more personal bibliographies (all i needed for my thesis on xyz including Laemmli 1970), how to rate items (selected by title... my loved-one... outstanding reference, cited 2400 times), how to understrike validity and how to decribe lack of coverage. No-one discusses what other people did and where those solutions reach their methodological limits, e.g. example mendely-group, which gives the possibility to construct topical usergroups with a collective on-topic paper collection, which is a nice and compatible idea and the unscientific bias that papers have to be available as pdf documents, and a collection limit of 2gb which means 10k items per user (importing one is at about 2min...), if 28.5MB-long PDFs are excluded, not to say my metatextbook collection of 14k topics which I do not think to list anywhere but on my server: Content-stability is one argument, being too stupid to program a working bot in a language i understand is the other more-appropriate one. And running bulk edits on that scale with monthly updates is somewhat impractical.

Which solutions could be proposed to enhance wp by including multi-topic bibliographies ? As with other ressources (like wikipathways.org), a dedicated site could setup. wikigraphy.org is gone, wikigraphy.de is mine since three days :))) so the brand is secured. Indeed, a dedicated namespace bib:bla_bla_bla would suffice to create things like that. A set of regulations should be applied, e.g. using a companion page of those citations which were disselected by editing users, which would maintain content-stability without disenabling content-restructuring and content-addition. --Ossip Groth (talk) 17:01, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - violates WP:NOR and WP:NOT#HOST. Groth seems to be using us as if we were one of those websites where you can "publish" anything you want and claim you're a published author, scientist, etc. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:55, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Snow delete - it seems to be snowing here, even in June. Weakness or not in our logical arguments, we have not wanted such stuff here. We almost always delete such lists. Continuing to argue amounts to trolling, and borders on academic dishonesty. Bearian (talk) 20:04, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment at this point in proceedings I added Fibrosis and related Concepts in Organ Diseases, Tumor Biology and Regenerative Medicine selected bibliography to this discussion, which is apparently the parent article for this series of articles (looking forward to Fibrosis and related Concepts in Organ Diseases, Tumor Biology and Regenerative Medicine selected bibliography 2013 May...), as the content/aims are basically the same. Barney the barney barney (talk) 20:40, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no justification whatever for this type of page.Deb (talk) 20:36, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Ossip, respectfully, your arguments might be better understood if you phrased them more plainly with less jargon. Although I questioned before whether this was OR, but now I don't think it is OR in the normal sense of the term. Also, I would add that the quotation from the MOS/lists "A Bibliography page presents a list of relevant books, journal or other references for a subject area. Bibliographies are useful for expanding Further Reading topics for Summary style articles" cannot really be used to support your claim that "Wikipedia wants bibliographies". If you look at the context, and the page Wikipedia:Summary_style#Further_reading.2Fexternal_links which is linked from this quote in the source, this refers directly to having a bibliography serve as a further reading section for a large parent article. I.e. a large topic can have nested sub-articles for each section, and a separate bibliography. This helps to reduce the size of the parent article, and people who are after greater detail can get that too by going to the nested articles. Taking into account simple English versions of articles too, in this respect Wikipedia is offering multiple layers of service to its readers. Those after a short basic page, those after a general overview, and those with specific interest a narrow topic and wishes to carry out further reading and research, all these are catered for and the system works well. However, this page is "oligotopical". What pages would link to it for further reading? Maybe it would be better to have separate lists for fibrosis related publications, Tumor biology publications etc. Also, I think it would be good to not restrict these lists to a single month, and try and enter only notable papers, landmark works etc. Hope that is helpful advice. Lesion (talk) 21:03, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I had to build the companion/parent page because 2 volumes gave a template-overusage-error. To avoid sla-ing it, I generated a small intro text referenced by some of my on-topic reviews.
The typical argument to circumvent the requirement of such a multitopic bibliography is to slice it down to about its major topics as exemplified in the what-it-is-box and to add it to the respective +-10 wikipedia articles. The things covered (excemption: MDSC, Exosomes, therapeutic collagen-crosslinking) are so interrelated to justify lumping them together. A fine thing from the Mai List I read today says:

1) Pancreatic cancer cells are hypoxic
2) They make HIF1 alpha in reaction to this
3) HIF1 alpha +transcribes sonic hedgehog
4) sonic hedgehog activated patched1 in stromal fibroblasts but not in cancer cells
5) pathched1 +transcribes Snail
6) Snail makes the whole program of EpithelioMT
7) EpithelioMT makes Collagen and Fibrosis
8) Fibrosis makes Vessels go away
9) No vessels make Tumors hypoxic
10) This circle goes around with resulting desmoplasia.
11) The only question is how the metastasis should get out of its cocoon.

Notwithstanding the fact that I forgot to cover shh and I even did not touch the Angiogenesis/Hypoxia-Chapter because it is really a different one (I thought...), the question is, to many topics should this one paper be tagged. Once upon a time, systems Biology was called Physiology, and the fine integrative thinking of complex systems running went into (A) ->makes (b) with -> (C) into some matrix with 20k genes 10epigenetic concepts, 10location concepts and so on.

Of course I have developed the romantic idea to collect the finest - new&old - references from the nephrology textbooks (I have bought MASSES of them) and to make some leading people around contributing their most famous references. This task has to be done systematically elseline until a critical mass has been accumulated to be mirrored-up. One needs a running system to get printed references into tagged pmids (have :)), then, about 1000 wiki-articles could be enhanced by strongly nephrology-related concepts. After apperance of a presentable working system, contributors have to be caught actively.

back-to-the-topic, on the one hands site, items are selected by-title only and location in the list is random. Users are encouraged to scroll-up the most interesting items after having read the papers. By revision to the cite-pmid template, I filled the name parameter with the title of the paper. Searching among the 965 goes by web browser function. Monthly split is justifyable by its streaming genesis (bad idea for a 5 per month bibliography) but it is techn. necessary because of template-usage-overrun-error. This happened as i wanted to merge the may collection into the april one. A companion users-favourites section with the top 50 of 965 could be added to the parent-article. Going through the may-list, I have 120 of 320 as want-haves entered into my system which usb's 1200 items/12hr library time. 400 want-haves per month is hard to cope with, indeed. Sometimes one forgets that a retina is nothing but a bonyfish's eye. And there are some more topics than this one of personal interest. The systematic time-lag to decide on a pdf document base to rate a paper as outstanding is 2 months unless one does nothing else. I do not think that I should shrink the monthly items to the most-appropriate ones and keep the rest away from the community. Both is needed, the top50 and those items with more-specific contents.

It is a possible solution to put the monthly-full-lists into userspace to encourage readers to copypaste selected items into the parent list in wikispace. But this depends on the acceptance of the oligotopic collection - which could have subheadings, of about 500 items/year. This would make a use-able resource with lower sensitivity but lower redundancy.

--Ossip Groth (talk) 22:45, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So, if I understand you correctly, you are saying that multi-topic bibliographies are relevant because many concepts combine multiple areas? So a multi-topic bibliography could be multi-purpose, acting as the further reading nested article form many related articles. The only problem I can see with this is that, as the multiple function capability of the bibliography increases, its direct relevance to any individual wikipedia page decreases. Using your example above, if we had a Wikipedia page devoted to this particular topic, then a bibliography containing relevant material to each of the involved topics might be argued to be appropriate. But, Wikipedia doesn't really have articles like this. Remember there is generally a lag before scientific breakthroughs become "notable" enough for inclusion in Wikipedia articles, mainly due to the restriction on primary sources.
Regarding the monthly thing, is this in fact a new type of bibliography on Wikipedia? All the other science/medicine lists don't seem to do this, but I've only looked at their titles. I doubt there is any policy relating to this issue. On the one hand, there could be a comprehensive bibliography, which 1000s of items, which would be good for researchers (even though as argued above it is likely that they will not think to come to wikipedia for this service) but would put most other people off. They wouldn't know where to start in such a further reading section. On the other hand, we have a much more selective bibliography. I honestly think "less is more" is a good practice when making such a list, and 50 is a good, approachable number. Lesion (talk) 23:09, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Tried to split the primary list somewhat by topic by copypasting. Works but I can do better. Will drive the dataset through my tagging program to see what it generates tomorrow. Things will be visible in about 12 hrs, its 01:38 met now... 965 is a beauty task to read.through. The idea of running a primary multitopic search is ok, it reduces the task from 15000 items to 5000. This does not mean that it is superb not to tag&split after selection-by-title.

--Ossip Groth (talk) 23:47, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Started tagging at 30/965 items by topic: Actually shown is a proof-of-concept tagged bibliography collection of 30 of 965 items. Rest will follow.Old own-style collection is gone, all 965 are inside wikitext without references template call. Complete task will take some time because i m addicted to read the abstracts. Bigger convolutes will goto the appropriate wp articles. Revisit original page to see changes.

--Ossip Groth (talk) 08:55, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep-- I think since the number of items in the list is being significantly reduced, the unencyclopedic content (ISBN, references to an author etc) have been removed, and finally if Wikipedia articles can be found for this bibliography to act as a relevant further reading section, then it is OK with me to keep. I would encourage you to drop the monthly thing though, and just have a single list. Considering the amount of work needed, temporary userfy might be appropriate. Lesion (talk) 10:51, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Whatever this is, it is not currently a viable Wikipedia article. It has annotations of the text within the text and what appears to be coding remnants. This could be userfied if the user wants to work on it. Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:47, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete if the user doesn't want to userify and address the concerns. It serves no valid purpose as it stands right now. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:58, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. —Tom Morris (talk) 21:21, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Irrational design

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Poorly sourced, very short article about a (proprietary?) design theory that is currently in development. I am unable to find any reliable sources with which to establish notability. Fails WP:MADEUP. - Mr X 11:43, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No significant coverage online in WP:Reliable sources, and only seems to be mentioned on the website listed in the article, which is non-notable per WP:WEB. Captain Conundrum (talk) 12:18, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No indication of significance. 069952497a^{Comments and complaints}_{Stuff I've done} 19:28, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Does not meet N or GNG, stub is too small to be of use. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:59, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Sajid Nadiadwala. SarahStierch (talk) 16:38, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kick (2014 film)

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Not slated until 2014 - non-notable as per anything provided in the description. Fails WP:CRYSTAL. The mere existence or future existence of a film does not satisfy WP:NFILM - even if there are "big names" slated to be in it (✉→BWilkins←✎) 10:41, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect and partial merge to director Sajid Nadiadwala. While WP:NFF tells us it is TOO SOON for this article, policy tell us that when we do have a future film topic written about in multiple independent sources, it is allowable that it can be spoken of somewhere. In this case the best place to write of his plans is in the director's article until it is finally completed and passes WP:NFF. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 00:19, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Too soon indeed, I've seen many a film 'dated' to come out, but never do so. Until it releases or has enough information to ensure it will, this should not be in mainspace. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:01, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to director's page per MS. Tolly 4 bolly 08:09, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete by User:INeverCry under WP:G3, Blatant hoax Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:47, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Payamonster

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WP:NOTDICTIONARY. Barney the barney barney (talk) 10:17, 2 June 2013 (UTC) Barney the barney barney (talk) 10:17, 2 June 2013 (UTC). It also seems that JackSteins (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log), ArturoRomeroCruz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) WikiVerifierEditor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) are all singly concerned with removing the AFD template. Barney the barney barney (talk) 15:08, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Poorly sourced non-notable neologism. - Mr X 11:28, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete A bit long for WP:NOTDICTIONARY, but still WP:MADEUPONEDAY. No suitable referencing given or found. Peridon (talk) 12:24, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DO NOT DELETE: There's no valid, solid reason for deletion. Not much sources to link this to. No reader could give any evidence that the contents on this article don't exist. Tell me which part needs to be improved and I will do it. No one has the right to request for an article to be deleted just based on what they think is right or wrong. If any of the codes that I used is wrong, let me know. This article is not fiction, so unless someone provides a proof that questions the authenticity of this article, this article should not be deleted.

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Sorry, that's the wrong way round. If you can give evidence in reliable independent sources that it is notable, then we'll reconsider. If you can't, we take it that it is either not notable, or is a hoax. We don't have to prove it doesn't exist. You have to prove that it does. Look at it this way - I say I've got a goat that can do algebra. Do you have to prove I don't? Or should I have to prove I do? Peridon (talk) 16:38, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. L Faraone 02:46, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OSMI

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Just a definition. Acronym Finder states it "appears vary rarely". Clarityfiend (talk) 07:32, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Non-notable definition. No coverage. SL93 (talk) 01:51, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I have added a reference. E-pen (talk) 10:18, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A definition alone is not enough for Wikipedia inclusion. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:01, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to TobyMac. SarahStierch (talk) 16:39, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Diverse City Band

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Article does not meet WP:GNG Koala15 (talk) 02:42, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to tobyMac. The band doesn't appear notable on its own. Erpert ^{Who is this guy? | Wanna talk about it?} 05:52, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to TobyMac, not notable on its own. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:03, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Consensus here is that this young actor's coverage pushes at WP:GNG, his awards and nominations meet ANYBIO, and his body of work meets WP:ACTOR. My suggestion here is that the article be further improved to serve the project. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:02, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Trischitta

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Non-notable minor actor lacking Ghtis and GNEWS of substance. Article references resemble PR blurbs, line mentions, or are unrelated to actor. Individual has won and been nominated for a minor award, but not sure if it is substantial enough for recognition. Appears to fail WP:BIO and WP:NACTOR. reddogsix (talk) 14:55, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Slight lean towards keep. Combine these [8][9][10] with the sources in the article and that award he won and it may push Trischitta past the GNG bar.LM2000 (talk) 19:58, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Won an award, has over a hundred episodes as credit and with sources may meet GNG. Erring on the side of caution in this case for the bar. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:06, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - As per LM2000's findings, meets GNG. 86.153.72.187 (talk) 21:36, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:58, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

An Hobbes

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Delete. Insufficient track record for WP:ARTIST. A look at past venues suggests a tavern, a bar, a theater... No substantive online review either. Fails WP:GNG in terms of overall visibility too.Truth or consequences-2 (talk) 15:17, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Does not pass ARTIST or GNG. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:06, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 00:59, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

2018 in film

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It is simply too soon for this article BOVINEBOY2008 06:27, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep ~~Weak delete~~ - yeah... maybe... on the fence a bit with this one. Sure, it's probably too early, but there are a couple of things there and we're going to get more and more announcements of things due for release in 2018. I just wonder if it's worth deleting it now, only to recreate it in a couple of months time. 2-3 more announcements would probably do it. If anyone wants to baby-sit this and keep it updated until it's "ready" for main article space, I wouldn't strongly object to that. Stalwart111 07:20, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Everything is untitled, not sure if ComingSoon.net is a reliable source or not either (not familar with the site). 2017 in film isn't much better either. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 08:21, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I assume ComingSoon.net is a reliable source, since it seems to be the most common one used to provide references for films on the years in film articles. Alphius (talk) 17:56, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. It is hammer time. WP:Too soon and WP:CRYSTALBALL also apply....William 16:38, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. I created this article because I saw that the dates had been announced, and because I had seen other "untitled" films listed on years in film articles before. There is some information here that seems like it would be reasonable to keep, since it does say which studios are involved and what the release dates for the films are. I'm not sure on any specific examples, but I'm pretty sure there have been similar entries kept on years in film articles in the past, though there are usually other titled entries as well (as in the 2017 in film article). This article provides a space that could easily be updated when more information has been released (which seems likely to happen at least relatively soon). It seems like only a matter of time before more films will be announced for this year, and these films will be titled. Likewise, the dates can be updated if they happen to change (but for now, they are still official). However, if the information in this article is not considered to be strong enough to warrant its own article, I guess it can be deleted. If the article is deleted, I still think it would be a good idea to save the information in it somewhere. Alphius (talk) 17:56, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, this seems like it could be part of the reason that years this far in the future had used to be contained in one article, such as "2015 and beyond in film" or something. If it still worked that way (which it apparently doesn't, anymore), then this information would probably be able to stay on that article for sure. Alphius (talk) 18:06, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: There's no real benefit to looking this far ahead on future releases and this page doesn't tell you anything about the films. Praemonitus (talk) 21:16, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Without specifics, it's pretty useless. Although I am looking forward to seeing Untitled Disney Animation 3D and Untitled Disney Animation 3D with my brother Darryl and my other brother Darryl. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:07, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Lugnuts. Five years in the future? Come on. Erpert ^{Who is this guy? | Wanna talk about it?} 06:36, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I've added a couple of things I found in seemingly reliable sources. The fact that I could find more was enough to tip me to the other side of the fine line - from weak delete to weak keep - and I've changed my note above. 5 years is a long way into the future, but obviously large film studios plan multi-million-dollar projects that far in advance. Plenty of other industries do. Stalwart111 07:38, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Vladmir Putin ordering the government to make a film is one thing; whether the government will actually make said film is another. Erpert ^{Who is this guy? | Wanna talk about it?} 06:04, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - That's fair, though I'm sure there's a horrible story about the last guy who refused to make a movie for Putin! No, you're right, of course, but the article is about 2018 in film, not Films guaranteed to be released in 2018. We could likely say the same about many of the entries at 2014 in film, and certainly about some of the other 2018 entries. Stalwart111 06:26, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Actually, judging from this, the article could be a borderline hoax. Erpert ^{Who is this guy? | Wanna talk about it?} 08:21, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I WP:NAC'd that one. I'm pretty sure it was a list of fake stuff with no references and was created to make a point, as opposed to this which has actual references, though they may not have a lot of detail. Stalwart111 09:49, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What does that have to do with this? I've never created a hoax article, and I simply wouldn't do so. Just look up "Disney 2018" on Google and you can find a lot more sources if you want. Alphius (talk) 02:07, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Way too soon. Five years is too much time given the average production cycle of works. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:09, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Call out Stanley Burrell for this one (Delete per WP:HAMMER). Eauhomme (talk) 06:36, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to uni-ball. (non-admin closure) czar · · 06:59, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Alpha Gel Mechanical Pencil

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Article appears to be an advertisement and no notability can be found either in the article or references. Ad Orientem (talk) 04:26, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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merge to the company, uniball. it's just one of their brands. DGG ( talk ) 19:20, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Uni-ball. Just one of thousands of unremarkable products, which certainly does not have sufficient notability to justify its own article. --DAJF (talk) 06:34, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect seems apt in this case. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:13, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Barnes & Noble#Publishing. (non-admin closure) czar · · 05:55, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Barnes & Noble Classics Collection

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Article strikes me as a complete violation of WP:NOTDIR: this is a directory. I see no point to this at all--whatever text there is can't even verifiably establish that the series as a whole has any kind of notability by our standards. Drmies (talk) 04:05, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Barnes_&_Noble#Publishing. Other than a very brief mention in the main article's publishing section, there's no need for an article detailing each and every book that B&N releases in the Classics Collection. There's no real coverage of this publishing line. Sometimes there are brief mentions, but nothing so-indepth that it would mark it as exceptional. Might be a valid enough redirect, though. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:44, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect per above, does not meet N on its own. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:14, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. nomination withdrawn DGG ( talk ) 19:19, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled Web Series About a Space Traveler Who Can Also Travel Through Time

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This appears to be more or less an attempt to gain free advertising or publicity. I don't see any notability in the article or the references. Ad Orientem (talk) 04:03, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The nom says that they don't see any notability in the article or the references, but it only took me a few minutes to find these reliable sources:

List of reliable sources

Attention 'Community' fans: 'Inspector Spacetime' is real
Web Series Created Based on Community's Inspector Spacetime
Inspector SpaceTime trailer spoofs Doctor Who
Best of TV on the Web in 2012
Upcoming Web Series Borrows Much From Community’s Inspector Spacetime
'Community's' Inspector Spacetime, Travis Richey, Producing 'Untitled Web Series About A Space Traveler Who Can Also Travel Through Time'
NBC nixes Inspector Spacetime
Watch the first episode of the Inspector Spacetime webseries that can’t legally call itself Inspector Spacetime
Doctor Who parody hits second episiode

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Comment. This was kept at AfD a little over a month ago under a slightly different title. --Michig (talk) 06:15, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep or merge and redirect to List_of_Doctor_Who_parodies#Untitled_Web_Series_About_A_Space_Traveler_Who_Can_Also_Travel_Through_Time_.282012-ongoing.29. I can certainly understand Ad Orientem's concerns, as most of the sources I found mention the series' initial legal issues and its launch. There isn't much coverage in reliable sources as far as reviews go. There are tons of blog hits, but few that could probably begin to be considered a RS. However there is just enough here to where it just scrapes by on notability standards, although I also think that this could be relatively well summed up in the page for the Doctor Who parodies. It does certainly merit a mention somewhere. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:29, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

However, considering that this was just up for AfD, this is probably a bit too soon to re-nominate. Since I just edited the article and voted, I'm not sure if I could close this off or not. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:30, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was unaware that this had so recently been debated on AfD. Although I still don't like it, I will withdraw my AfD nomination or change my position to a very WEAK KEEP solely out of deference to the recent adjudication while respectfully disagreeing with the decision. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:01, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, it happens. I've opened up AfDs before where I found that the article was at AfD and kept not a month prior. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:17, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy Keep (nomination withdrawn, no other support; non-admin closure). -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 23:00, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Peretz P. Friedmann

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Lacks notability and any references. Ad Orientem (talk) 03:30, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Passes at least WP:Prof#1, WP:Prof#5, andWP:Prof#8. Xxanthippe (talk) 07:28, 2 June 2013 (UTC).[reply]
Keep and stubbify. Clear pass of multiple WP:PROF criteria: #C5 (named chair at major research university), #C8 (editor-in-chief of AIAA J. as well as another more specialized journal). The article as nominated is speedy deletable as a copyvio of his web page at UMich but I have stubbed it down to something that doesn't have that problem.
Keep. Per Xxanthippe. Finnegas (talk) 10:04, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. Papers' impact is not impressive, but fulfills leadership and award criteria.Truth or consequences-2 (talk) 10:23, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. Tyros1972 Talk 10:27, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per named professorship and editorship. Now who wants to write a real biography? Carrite (talk) 02:58, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw AfD After reading the guidelines more carefully I concur with the above comments and withdraw my AfD nom. Apologies for not looking more closely at this. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:06, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your courtesy and helpfulness. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:57, 3 June 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Keep. I will interview the professor and get a team together and try to write a better article.Plcoopr (talk) 04:46, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks, but please look for reliable sources (that is, stuff published about him by other people) rather than trying to generate your own sources from an interview. That's not usually considered to be of adequate verifiability, especially given the extra care needed in a biography of a living person. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:06, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) czar · · 04:51, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lenddo

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Lacks notability and appears to be an advertisement. Ad Orientem (talk) 03:09, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Perfectly factual and not an advertisement. Weak keep only because I am not satisfied that the awards are sufficient for notability, "startup" and "most innovative" can sometimes mean, "promising, but not yet notable". DGG ( talk ) 19:15, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per DGG's assessment. Many hits at Google [11] for cites. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:15, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Appears to fail GNG at this time. Perhaps in the future! SarahStierch (talk) 16:42, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Timothy Spanos

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Subject is not notable. WP:NOTE No reliable source WP:RS. Flat Out let's discuss it 02:24, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG and artist categories. Besides a general search, I searched specifically for sources in Australia and Europe since according to the article that is where his work is best known. Nothing noteworthy came up.Truth or consequences-2 (talk) 10:33, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The works directed don't fair much better either, if one could pass, maybe a merge is acceptable. Does not meet N or GNG. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:18, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete housekeeping non-admin closure: 06:53, 2 June 2013 Jimfbleak (talk | contribs) deleted page University of Hell Press (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion) czar · · 07:05, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

University of Hell Press

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Article is an advertisement for the company and has no outside sources. Tyros1972 Talk 02:15, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Strongly concur. Article also lacks notability and might qualify for speedy deletion under G-11.Ad Orientem (talk) 03:05, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I've tagged it as a speedy for promotion, but even if that's cleaned up the bigger issue is that there isn't any notability for this publisher. Merely existing does not give notability, nor would it even if the books were all by big-name authors who all won big-name awards. There is no coverage for this publishing company. Most of the smaller publishing houses almost always fly solidly under the radar- even some of the more well known indie publishing houses have been deleted due to a lack of notability, so this isn't a slight against the house or anything. There just isn't any coverage. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:38, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Pet Bottle Ningen. SarahStierch (talk) 16:55, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nonoko Yoshida

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Lacks Notability. References fail to establish notability. Ad Orientem (talk) 02:12, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep I've added one reliable source citation. Bondegezou (talk) 15:20, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reaspectfully Disagree Article and subject still do not come close to meeting notablity standards as per WP:MUSBIO. Being mentioned in a local paper does not establish credibility. My favorite pizza shop has a stronger claim than the article subject.

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSBIO. The four sources may look adequate at first glance until once examines them more closely. One is a dead link, one does not mention her name, one just lists her name with no additional comment, and one simply mentions her name in passing. This does not constitute the level of in-depth coverage required to demonstrate basic notability. --DAJF (talk) 06:06, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Pet Bottle Ningen, it will help that article as well. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:20, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. L Faraone 02:45, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

George Rolph (activist)

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No assertion of notability per WP:BIO, and no significant coverage online from WP:Reliable sources. The refs include one interview in the Morning Star (British newspaper), but the rest are blogs, claim of a local TV interview on a blog, a chatboard and and a local freesheet. The sole claim to notability is his hunger strike, but per WP:BLP1E this alone doesn't make him notable enough for a separate article, though I'd say he's notable enough for a mention in Atos, with the Morning Star source. Proposed deletion contested by article's creator. Captain Conundrum (talk) 02:05, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Two YouTube refs have been added to the article which confirms that Rolph has appeared twice on BBC London News in connection with two different campaigns. I believe more sources will become available shortly and that there is just enough at present to make a claim for notability. NationalTreasure (talk) 11:43, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~. Media presence makes this WP:BLP1E at best so far. Can be revisited if the bump leads to substance.Truth or consequences-2 (talk) 15:27, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep Second campaign now has more media traction, though it's hardly the first hunger strike against Atos. May or may not leave a trace, time will tell.Truth or consequences-2 (talk) 11:00, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Firstly, this is not WP:BLP1E as the article refers to two quite seperate events, both which have references. Secondly, I disagree with Captain Conundrum that George Rolph's sole claim to notability is his hunger strike. George Rolph has been a notable supporter and initiator of two campaigns. Notable enough to be interviewed on BBC TV on both occasions OSLJA (talk) 16:04, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There are enough good refs in this article to satisfy requirements for notability.Mehmit (talk) 17:12, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. The level of coverage given to the domestic violence campaign isn't much, but probably enough to invalidate an argument for deletion based on WP:BLP1E. WP:GNG and, by extension, WP:BIO are met. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 14:39, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Article is of considerable interest, as this is the first person to go on hunger strike over DWP policies, or at least the first with coverage in a national newspaper [12]. So far as I can see, even if this were the only event, WP:BLP1E also would not apply because the fact Rolph is seeking publicity, means this is not a low-profile individual as that policy would require. --Cedders^tk 17:54, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Rolph is not the first to go on such a hunger strike and be reported in a national newspaper. The Independent reported on this previous instance, for example. What distinguishes Rolph is doggedness and a knack for getting publicity. I don't get the point about seeking publicity as a positive criterion for WP inclusion.Truth or consequences-2 (talk) 23:22, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by nominator: Agreed, in fact WP:GNG notes that self-publicity is not independent of the subject. It should also be pointed out to non-UK editors that while the Morning Star (British newspaper) is distributed nationally (you typically see one or two copies stocked in most supermarkets), it doesn't come close to the mass-market level of readership that people normally associate with a "national" newspaper: it's distributed at a loss by a tiny political group who rely on donations to stave off its bankruptcy. That interview is the only newspaper coverage he's had. I see so many AFDs concluding that a person's not notable even though they've been interviewed a few times on television news. So I still don't understand how this man who, while most admirable, meets the notability standards of WP:BIO. It's also taken a fair bit of re-editing to keep the article WP:NPOV, and not turning into his campaign page: I ask all editors involved to have a read of WP:WORTHYCAUSE.

I should also point out my own potential WP:COI: I have a severely disabled immediate family member who had to fight Atos like a wild animal a few months ago to hang onto his (disgracefully low) disability payments. During the first interview the Atos doctor, who has since quit in disgust, began to cry when describing how a few minutes earlier he'd had to insist that a cancer patient in the middle of chemotherapy had to leave his hospital bed to appear at an Atos assessment, or lose his disability payments. So I know better than many editors just how utterly evil Atos is as a company, and applaud when people like Rolph fight them. Nevertheless, we need to stick to Wikipedia policy, and not make exceptions for people we admire, or the whole WP:AFD process becomes a useless, cliquey nonsense. Thanks, Captain Conundrum (talk) 06:32, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This article is a useful addition to wiki project. Re notability - the subject has appeared on tv on 5 occasions; on radio once and in a national newspaper. His campaign is still underway and should result in further media coverage within the week.Partitas (talk) 09:45, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ITSUSEFUL, but appearing on TV 5 times doesn't necessarily make someone notable. How is he notable per WP:BIO please? Thanks, Captain Conundrum (talk) 10:48, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How is he notable per WP:BIO? I see no evidence to suggest that he doesn't satisfy the requirements of WP:BASIC. Partitas (talk) 12:14, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:BASIC, he's had only trivial coverage. The Morning Star, as noted above, is not a reliable source on its own, and that very short article cannot be described as substantial coverage in a "national newspaper", any more than getting a few paragraphs in one of the coffee table magazines that get distributed in hotels would be. I see from your user page that you're based in New York City: the Morning Star is best described as the CPB's version of the National Enquirer, a political supermarket sheet with the Enquirer's standards for fact checking, but without its high level of readership. Neither the Morning Star article nor the very short TV appearances so far are WP:Independent, substantial coverage described in WP:BASIC, and so far the mainstream press have taken no notice of him. If we could find a profile on his career in a mainstream national newspaper or a reliable online publication, which wasn't just him promoting his current campaign, I'd withdraw the nomination. Captain Conundrum (talk) 04:52, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your info. I understand from looking at Rolph's publicity that a researcher from the 'Independent Newspaper' is preparing a story and that 'The Daily Mirror' are sending someone on Monday 10 June to interview him. The mainstream media have been slow to pick up on his story, it's true. Partitas (talk) 15:15, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Either one of those would be great. I don't use Facebook, so thanks for letting us know. Captain Conundrum (talk) 15:41, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Passes GNG. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:20, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please explain how the article passes GNG? Thanks, Captain Conundrum (talk) 08:32, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete - deleted by admin INeverCry. (Non-admin close). Stalwart111 02:29, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Albert Zohrebyan

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Incomplete. Tyros1972 Talk 01:57, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. All discussion assertions point towards keep outcome. (non-admin closure) BusterD (talk) 02:41, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A Swag of Aussie Poetry

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Subject is not notable Article is a long list of links ~~that are off-topic and puffery. Unsourced and a search shows no independent~~ sources available do not to support notability. Flat Out let's discuss it 01:51, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn: given the level of support will result in keep, improvements to referencing, and some good points raised in keep comments below, I am happy to withdraw and have the nomination closed. Flat Out let's discuss it 01:58, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I have to admit that I'm concerned that the editor that created this page listed himself as a RS, knows the producer, and also created an entry on himself... Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:47, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: there is clear COI however the issue is that just because something exists, that doesn't make it notable. Also there is not one independent, verifiable source provided. The article is, essentially, a record of interview that can't be verified, and a long list of wikilinks to famous Australians that may, or may not have, contributed to an album of no notability. Flat Out let's discuss it 06:10, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Originally issued in 1984 or 1985 with 50 tracks by notable Australians performing/reading from works by notable Australian poets. The 21st century version is a historical record of this material. Certainly more work is needed for MoS and other issues but it should be kept.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:58, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I agree with Shaidar in that the work is a significant work, purely based on the fact it is notable Australians performing works by other notable Australians. Dan arndt (talk) 02:35, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: If the Australians are notable (and I agree they are), isn't that relevant to an article about that person? Similarly if the works are notable, and again I agree they are, doesn't notability apply to the original poetry? I'm not certain that the Album which is the subject of the article, i.e an aggregation of existing works, is notable. Flat Out let's discuss it

Keep because it is the best option right now, this is not like other albums which can be merged easily to a central discography or their performer pages. This album will either exist or be deleted and is in the National Library, which pushes towards GNG and N. It is unusual, but I'd rather keep something unique unless a proper fitting inclusion for a merge can be found and an appropriate redirect can be made. There also is some possibly it meets GNG on its own as well. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:24, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I don't agree being catalogued by the National Library makes the album N since I'm also in there and I'm certainly not notable :) I do agree that it is unique and since the article has been improved considerably I am happy to keep and will withdraw my nomination. Flat Out let's discuss it 01:56, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. —Tom Morris (talk) 21:14, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Restoration1

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Lacks Notability. There are sources but the mere fact that an entity exists and that it has been mentioned in one or more reputable sources doesn't equal notability. Ad Orientem (talk) 01:27, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - This appears to be promotion for a company and lacks any valid RS. I requested a speedy deletion as to WP:NOTFORPROMOTION. Tyros1972 Talk 10:25, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The only link that might be RS material, technorati, leads nowhere. Could not ascertain WP:CORPworthiness from other sources.Truth or consequences-2 (talk) 15:30, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete for lack of notability--the sources are just press releases. But otherwise it would not seem to me like an advertisement. It briefly describes the company and the services. The way articles like this are typically promotional is to give a full detailed list of services, and of locations, or use adjectives saying how good they are. DGG ( talk ) 19:17, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per CORP. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:24, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. —Tom Morris (talk) 21:16, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sanilian Classification System

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This article has no citations and is typed as if created by the creator of the classification system. There is not enough outside information. This is a project by a "student", and is original research. Surfer43 (talk) 01:09, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as fully WP:OR. No reliable sources. Looks like someone's pet project. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 12:20, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per reasons above, plus its only Google hits are Wikipedia. WP:DUCK --Teancum (talk) 12:48, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete, no indication of significance. Someone seems to have just thought it up one day. 069952497a^{Comments and complaints}_{Stuff I've done} 19:30, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as OR. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:25, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of mayors of Cairns. (non-admin closure) czar · · 04:55, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Louis Severin

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No significant information. All information false according to the List of mayors of Cairns page on Wikipedia. Surfer43 (talk) 00:43, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. He is actually listed on the List of mayors of Cairns, and some googling shows that he was indeed the mayor.Doctorhawkes (talk) 10:59, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of mayors of Cairns. Severin is not an international, national, or provincial/statewide political figure, and has not received major coverage, and thus fails WP:POLITICIAN. WP:POLITICIAN then states that "In the case of candidates for political office who do not meet this guideline, the general rule is to redirect to an appropriate page covering the election or political office sought in lieu of deletion." List of mayors of Cairns is clearly the most appropriate page, as there is no article on the office itself or the election. 069952497a^{Comments and complaints}_{Stuff I've done} 19:41, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as per above. Seems to be the most logical option. UltraExactZZ ^Said~ Did 12:42, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect is best option. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:25, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. —Tom Morris (talk) 21:14, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jeffrey Weinhaus

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Not notable per WP:BLP1E and WP:NOTNEWS. Tassedethe (talk) 00:39, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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He's gotten some local coverage from a small town paper stretching back aways.--Chaser (talk) 16:46, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG and WP:NOTNEWS also applies....William 11:42, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Lacks sufficient notability based on available sources. - Mr X 02:07, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Merlin (TV series). L Faraone 02:46, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

King Rodor

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If the titular character of Merlin doesn't have his own Wiki page, then why does a minor character from the final season have one? öBrambleberry of RiverClan 15:38, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Non-notable. 069952497a^{Comments and complaints}_{Stuff I've done} 18:30, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or redirect to the show's article. Gamaliel (talk) 23:50, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as it is a non-notable character. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:27, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. —Tom Morris (talk) 21:13, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

David Broll

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Non-notable minor league player who fails to meet WP:NHOCKEY or GNG. Can be recreated when/if he meets nhockey or otherwise achieves notability. DJSasso (talk) 17:30, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Ditto. Ravenswing 11:46, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I repeat the nomination because it is accurate and comprehensive: Non-notable minor league player who fails to meet WP:NHOCKEY or GNG. Can be recreated when/if he meets nhockey or otherwise achieves notability. Donner60 (talk) 08:53, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Doesn't seem to meet NHOCKEY. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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