Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Liverpool F.C. strip

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There doesn't seem to be a consensus that this isn't already adequately covered in the main article Spartaz ^Humbug! 07:47, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Liverpool F.C. strip[edit]

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The page is not notable in the slightest, majority of the information is in the parent article Liverpool F.C.. NapHit (talk) 15:55, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 16:15, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Wikipedia is not a gallery of images of kits or crests, and what prose there is could, and should, be included on the Liverpool F.C. main page - no need for this content fork. Giant Snowman 16:18, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Liverpool F.C.#Colours and crest. There's no reason why this information can't be included in the main Liverpool article and this page turned into a redirect. – PeeJay 16:31, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- most of the information is already in the article, the prose about the crest has no references and I can't find anything in my books to support what is in the article. Personally I think it should be deleted, with a redirect to the parent article NapHit (talk) 16:38, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - What I meant to say was that we should merge any relevant content to the main article. I definitely do not think the whole article should just be copied and pasted over. – Pee Jay 16:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I was initially hopeful that someone would have published sources on the history of Liverpool kits or similar, but I can find no such sources. — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 16:42, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- there is this on the official website but that only talks about the kit and that be included in the main article. NapHit (talk) 16:50, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Indeed, there's a big difference between the club publishing its own history of its kits and someone writing a book about them. – Pee Jay 18:03, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, I think I might have been a little hasty with my delete recommendation. There are so many sources about Liverpool F.C. and its history and trivia (for example [1][2][3]) that I find it hard to imagine that none of them cover the strip in any detail. I want to find a specific example before I think of changing to keep, though, and none of those books are viewable online. — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 15:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - We should also take a look at Arsenal F.C. strip, which performs a similar function for Arsenal F.C. – Pee Jay 16:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:NOTGALLERY. The subject is well covered at Liverpool F.C.#Colours and crest. Argyle 4 Life^talk 18:33, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No need for content fork any info not already included in parent article could easily be included in it. Warburton1368 (talk) 21:48, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~Comment~~ Keep all. I'm certainly no expert on football clubs or their Wikipedia pages, but I'm wondering why this page should be deleted. I do agree that sourcing should be improved, but in the case of truly historic sports teams I can see why such an article as Logos and uniforms of the New York Yankees or Logos and uniforms of the New York Giants would prove useful and appropriate inside an encyclopedia. Liverpool and Arsenal clubs fit the profile of historical. I think I'd rather see the crest and uniform sections eventually split off as these two have done, when the section gets overlong. BTW, what's "strip"? Is it more akin to uniform or to colours (in deference to my across-the-pond neighbors)? Is the term listed in a list of football terminology? I'm not familiar with the term, so I'm probably not alone. BusterD (talk) 18:29, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- First, "strip" refers to the uniform, including the team-specific elements of shirt, shorts and socks. Second, I agree that such an article as this may be useful in the future, but given the content of this article, I think merging it to the club's main article is the best option at this time. – Pee Jay 10:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - If it gets deleted then we'd better add Cardiff City F.C. strip, Manchester City F.C. strip, and Parma F.C. strip to the list. Delusion23 (talk) 12:44, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- If there are a bunch of these, maybe we oughtn't delete hastily, but discuss the common practice. As I've described above, other sports editors have demonstrated the usefulness of this type of page. Still would like to see a wikidictionary link to "strip" BusterD (talk) 12:50, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - "Strip" is such a regional use, IMHO, each of these articles should be kept, sourced and moved to "Colours and crest of..." BusterD (talk) 13:12, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - I think the general notability guideline is good enough for these articles. If we're dealing with really minor teams, then there won't be any reliable third-party sources on their strips, but for major teams those sources are very likely to exist. We can judge them on a case-by-case basis. — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 15:36, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.