Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Little Boy Soldiers

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The result was redirect to Setting Sons. The history is available if somebody wants to merge material. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:57, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Little Boy Soldiers[edit]

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Article about a song, not reliably sourced as passing WP:NSONGS. As always, every song is not automatically entitled to have its on standalone article, as a separate topic from the album it came from, just because it exists -- the notability test for songs requires evidence of distinctions, such as notable music awards and/or chart success, and it requires reliable source coverage about the song in media. But there's no such claim here, and the only reference being cited is a user-generated lyrics database, which is not a notability-supporting source. Bearcat (talk) 15:53, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 15:53, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All this information i can ensure is reliably sourced, it has been fact checked by myself, and other Genius moderators - eggmanjames 17/3/20, if you need direct evidence of this i have a book based on what Paul Weller said and i shall take the information from that as of which i based my work on. (https://genius.com/Genius-what-is-a-moderator-annotated) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eggmanjames (talk • contribs) 16:07, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Genius is not a reliable or notability-supporting source for a song. Reliable sourcing for Wikipedia content is magazines, newspapers, academic journals and books, not user-generated online databases. Bearcat (talk) 16:19, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 16:19, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete. No assertion of significance or importance per NSONGS or GNG. Since it was not released as a single, I'm not even sure this would be useful as a redirect back to the album's article. —C.Fred (talk) 16:30, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per available information in reliable sources. There's this, which seems to be an entire section, but I can't see it. This I also can't see, but what I can see indicates the song is of particular importance to the group's overall stature. Entire chapter regarding the song here. scrap here regarding the topic. More here. These are only results from Google Books. I have not checked JSTOR or Newspapers.com yet, but I think this is sufficient. Certainly the article, as it exists as of my signing, does not contain any indication of notability, but notability is based on available sources, not the current state of the article. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 18:47, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect and merge to Setting Sons: 78.26, that's not correct... the chapter isn't dedicated to the song, they've just used song titles by the band for chapter headings in the book – there's only one paragraph talking about the song. The last source also dedicates a whole three lines to the song – both sources only talk about the song within the context of the album, going through each song one by one... WP:NSONG states "If the only coverage of a song occurs in the context of reviews of the album on which it appears, that material should be contained in the album article and an independent article about the song should not be created." I can't read the first two links you put, so I've no idea if they are anything more than passing mentions, or simply the use of the same title but not talking about the song at all – certainly everything else I can see is nothing more than a passing mention. The full Robert Christgau review can be read here [1] and shows that it doesn't talk about the song as being important in the group's canon, simply that it shows they are left-wing. This isn't one of the Jam's better known album tracks or B-sides, certainly nowhere near "English Rose", "The Butterfly Collector", "Pretty Green", "Boy About Town", etc. Richard3120 (talk) 13:24, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As per nom. Title is too generic to be a useful redirect. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 12:14, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete and Redirect are both presented by commenters but have not converged into a consensus. I think this AfD needs more time .
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, xinbenlv ^{Talk, Remember to "ping" me} 19:39, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Setting Sons: Per Richard3120. Despite the fact that the song is partly discussed in these links: [2], [3] and [4], the article is far from passing WP:NSONG. It's not released as a single. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 05:35, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge the content to Setting Sons and redirect the title. --KartikeyaS (talk) 06:03, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 07:58, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.