Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of years in Brunei

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 00:27, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of years in Brunei

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Reviewed as a part of New Page Patrol. Basically a list of of all of the years that existed between 1900 and 2022. (a list of 120 years) including 112 red links and 8 that go to a stub article which list 1-2 events that happened in Brunei that year. No indication of wp:notability for the list concept. Further does not fulfill the nature of list articles (just a list of years) nor the intended purposes of them North8000 (talk) 00:38, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note that later / below I decided "keep" for the given new rationale, but to not wihdraw so that others can still discuss and decide. North8000 (talk) 17:56, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, unless we are planning to delete every article in Category:Year lists by country, some of which are far more incomplete. List of years in Grenada is literally all redlinks. Yes, the existence of some stuff is not generally regarded as a justification for keeping other stuff, but in this case, it's clearly standard to have "xxxx in Country" articles, and to have "List of years in Country" articles to organize them. Deleting one and keeping the rest is nonsensical. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:43, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I never even knew that existed. I don't even know who would use that architecture. People who want to look up something and know what year it happened but not what it was? North8000 (talk) 01:53, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe people who want to see a timeline of everything that happened in a given country in a given year? That's not totally absurd to me. In this case the list format is more useful than a category as it allows for chronological organization, annotation, etc. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:35, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The example of Grenada is extraordinary. If nothing else, surely independence in 1974 and invasion by the USA in 1983 are worthy of inclusion? Athel cb (talk) 07:39, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Years of the 20th century in Grenada plus categories for other centuries there, shows how many articles there are which could be used to populate a proper list if anyone cared to bother with it, or if there was a bot to do it automatically. Check the year in the category, post the article linked there to the proper list. If only one link per year exist, then list them by decade instead. Dream Focus 15:17, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Brunei-related deletion discussions. Kpg jhp jm 07:07, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:45, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If we were to set a standard that which countries would be covered according to particular requirements, then it would prove allegations of "systematic bias" to be correct. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 11:00, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to History of Brunei and merge the subarticles there or a new Timeline of Brunei. We do not have the need or bandwidth to have by-year articles for every place in the world. I redirected the utter joke of List of years in Grenada. If you want to see chronological organization and annotation of what happened in a country, History of Grenada has independence and invasion, and a new timeline article could serve a parallel purpose without the need for dumb empty pages of redlinks or mediocre stubs with a single entry like the few Brunei year pages. Reywas92^Talk 13:33, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep More could be added to this list. Category:Years in Brunei. Need someone to make a bot as I mentioned above. Dream Focus 15:17, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as per Reywas92. MrsSnoozyTurtle 22:45, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment So this representative of a system for creating perhaps 30,000 articles, each of which is neither a list article nor is it wp:notable under that topic, each on containing whatever any editor chose to put in as something that happened in a country that year. And then about 200 list articles which are nothing more than a list of years under that country (i.e. the contents of the list are merely years). None of this is in the Wikipedia system at all, nor does it comply with criteria for existence of an article. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 00:11, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete. If we were to create an article for the history of each year of each country, that easily would be tens of thousands of articles. And if countries, why not cities? It is much better to keep articles such as History of Brunei. This is simply beyond the current scope and abilities of this encyclopedia. Jacona (talk) 00:38, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per above, do we really need this kind of nonsense? Slatersteven (talk) 13:14, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - As long as there are a bunch of bluelinks, a list of lists has an obvious navigational purpose. The year lists are not nominated here, so "merge them all" isn't a valid outcome (it would need separate tags, for starters). Beyond that, I see [year] in [country] as a perfectly valid format for an article. We have a ton of "years" articles, and while it's true we do not have clear inclusion criteria/notability criteria set up for them, the country-wide pages are, to me, the easiest to keep. The problem, of course, is that they're so often poorly maintained. The good news is, the content of the page shouldn't change all that much after the year is complete. There are all sorts of [year] in [very narrow/ambiguous subject] articles to take aim at. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 16:04, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Rhododendrites. Cbl62 (talk) 16:59, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:LISTPURP. This is a valid navigational aid, such lists are common at Wikipedia. --Jayron 32 18:25, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (But not withdrawing my nomination so others can weigh in) I discussed this type of thing in general at WP:Notability and there seems to be a consensus that this type of article (and the type of articles targeted) is OK and does not need to meet wp:notability requirements. With only a few blue links, this one is a sort of edge case but I chose to say "Keep" for the edge case as well. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 19:11, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
IMO there's a good argument to be made for merging some of the smaller lists-by-year up to lists-by-decade - 1990s in X for example - to reduce the sheer number of individual lists, but I think doing that en masse might require consensus by RfC. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 02:19, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you support keeping the article then you should also note in your original nomination that you are withdrawing the AfD. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 10:04, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I already said I was not withdrawing so that other could still discuss and decide. But I added a note by my nomination. North8000 (talk) 18:00, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to Keep. The arguments of User:Rhododendrites and User:Jayron32 are valid. Jacona (talk) 17:13, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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