Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of wine personalities

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The result was keep. Sandstein 13:58, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of wine personalities

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This list shouldn't exist as there is no unifying factor to the "personalities", the list has grown exceedingly long, holds both linguistic and cultural bias, and is far too subjective to hold any value. It should have never been created in the first place, but what should be done now is to remove it permanently so that it doesn't continue to be a list of some people well known in wine and some of questionable fame. Primecoordinator (talk) 11:59, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. CommanderWaterford (talk) 12:31, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wine-related deletion discussions. CommanderWaterford (talk) 12:31, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:47, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep The nomination is absurd as the unifying factor is plain – the association with wine. The list has existed since 2006 and has had hundreds of editors and thousands of readers. If there are issues with particular entries then they are best addressed by editing the list or discussing them on its talk page. AfD is not cleanup. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:04, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and develop further, including possible rename. The corresponding category would seem to be Category:People associated with wine, which has specific subcategories for winemakers, wine critics, etc. (which is why this list was included in a few of those subcategories). I agree that "personalities" is unclear, but a rename and reorganization of this into subheaders or sublists would remedy that in a way that is consistent with the categorization system. postdlf (talk) 18:18, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I get it that this article title is a little odd, maybe should be List of notable wine professionals or something, but I think it's a useful list. I definitely think it could be broken up into subsections to make it more useful -- vintners, sommeliers, critics, retailers, whatever. —valereee (talk) 21:45, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Although not at all complete, it is a useful list compared with the more questionable List of celebrities who own wineries and vineyards. For parts of this list, separate entries exist, such as Oenologists#Prominent oenologists, List of viticulturists, , , , , , . Maybe we could use the same section/subcategory titles for this list and make a selection of personalities already included in the mentioned categories.--BBCLCD (talk) 14:52, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I watchlisted this AFD because I find it interesting. WP:NLIST doesn't provide very much guidance. This particular article is very similar to Category:People associated with wine, except it also has one sentence descriptions and a couple of pictures. What do we do in circumstances like these? Judging from the keep consensus that is emerging, looks like we keep. I agree with valereee and others about the article name, I've started a renaming discussion at the article's talk page. –Novem Linguae (talk) 14:54, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @Novem Linguae: WP:LISTCRIT does offer some relevant guidance: Selection criteria (also known as inclusion criteria or membership criteria) should be unambiguous, objective, and supported by reliable sources. Perhaps the concerns from Primecoordinator, Postdlf, and valereee about lack of clarity in this list is that the article title does not provide clear well-defined selection criteria. — MarkH₂₁^talk 01:41, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Proposal for selection: Persons referred to by this list should be primarily notable for their involvement in the wine sector, such as representatives of families owning well-known vineyards, oenologists, viticulturists, winemakers, wine merchants, sommeliers, professional wine critics and wine writers. If there are already lists for some of these subsectors elsewhere, links to such lists could replace some entries (example: Wine critics). Excluded should be persons owning vineyards, producing wines or writing about wines as hobbies apart from their main activities.--BBCLCD (talk) 09:09, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.