Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of weather websites in the Philippines

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Only the delete !votes use policy to support their arguments (WP:NOTDIR). The keep votes seem to follow this vote, "Could be very useful if it is cleaned up." I can't see how this is poicy based. Guerillero | My Talk 23:37, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

List of weather websites in the Philippines

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List article without reliable 3rd party sources. Per WP:NOTDIRECTORY MakeSense64 (talk) 07:20, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:54, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:54, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:54, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

• Keep Weak Keep - This list article has promise, and is discriminate, focused and useful to Wikipedia. The article needs more references (I've already added one) and some light copy editing. Adding rescue tag.

Northamerica1000^(talk) 16:35, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Comment While you have added three references, these are not "independent third party sources" needed to establish notability. Source #1 and #3 are primary sources taken directly from the website in question, and source #2 can hardly be called reliable and is barely a mention. MakeSense64 (talk) 22:46, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

• Comments –
• I moved the second link you mention to external links. The other two are to verify information. Still needs more work. Northamerica1000^(talk) 06:14, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
• I changed my !vote to weak keep. I initially agree with the general idea of merging information from this article to a new article titled, "List of weather services", or something to that effect. Northamerica1000^(talk) 20:06, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
• This article does not fail WP:NOTDIR, the topic range is narrow and discriminate; the article does not read like "Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics", "Non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations" or "A complete exposition of all possible details", etc. Northamerica1000^(talk) 20:12, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
• Added more content to the article, including information from a reliable source – English news website of the Taiwan-based China Times News Group. The second source listed below (article title: "Launching of Automated Weather Station") is a primary source that verifies information; not to establish notability.

In 2011, Taiwan donated fifteen weather stations to the Philippines' Department of Science and Technology, and it has been reported that "The Philippines weather bureau will also share information from the new weather stations with Taiwan's Central Weather Bureau, helping expand the range of Taiwan's weather forecasts." PAGASA and the Philippines Department of Science and Technology work jointly in the implementation of weather stations.

—Northamerica1000^(talk) 21:20, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

• Expanded the article, including verification from a reliable source – City Government of Naga; added:

The city of Naga uses information from Typhoon2000 in its iTyphoon application, which is used to on various mobile devices to provide weather updates.

—Northamerica1000^(talk) 21:58, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

• Be bold: The article has been renamed to "List of weather agencies and websites in the Philippines, per rationale that this title is more accurate per the content in the article. Northamerica1000^(talk) 22:25, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

• Keep If there is a Wikipedia article for the entity that has its website listed there, then it should be on the list. Also if it is a government organization or part of a major educational or research facility. If its just some guy's blog, then you have to ask, is this blog notable, do news sites ever link to it, where do they get their information from, etc. If they just look up information online and post it on their blog, they probably aren't notable. Who belongs on or off the list can be discussed on the talk page and worked out there. Dream Focus 07:38, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
• Keep and rename - Most of the notable organisations who forecast for the Philippines also forecast for the Western Pacific ocean in general (180-100E roughly) so i would like to propose a rename to List of weather websites in the western pacific ocean. Notable organisations include Typhoon 2000, the JMA, JTWC PAGASA etc and not Visayas Typhoon Center which is just some guys blog.Jason Rees (talk) 00:11, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

• Comment Then I would rather see it renamed to "List of weather services in...". A "List of websites...." type article is going too much in the direction of a directory page, and encourages other editors to add their "websites" (~ blogs ..) to it. MakeSense64 (talk) 08:04, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

• Keep – Could be very useful if it is cleaned up. Could use a little more sources too. – TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:13, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
• Delete. WP:NOTDIR#4 fully applies to this list. The list would be acceptable if it would only contain notable entries, that is, web sites covered by their own Wikipedia articles. Makes three entries... not really an informative list then. Nageh (talk) 04:28, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Exactly, and out of these three only one is really Philippine, the others being from Japan and Hawai, USA. A global list of weather services would make sense, but on a per country basis it becomes a useless list with only a few notable entries. MakeSense64 (talk) 07:03, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

The article has been expanded and improved. In my opinion this article (at this time) does not read like a directory or a resource for conducting business, and does not have a promotional tone. Northamerica1000^(talk) 22:12, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

• Comment. There does not appear to be a List of weather websites (or List of online weather services, or whatever), so maybe this could be repurposed in scope to make it global and the non-notable entries removed, thus obviating any NOTDIR concerns (which are almost always a matter of normal editing, not deletion). postdlf (talk) 05:03, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

I would support the creation of a List of weather services, and then any useful entries from this article can be selectively merged into it. "List of weather websites" is a name I would avoid. Most weather services have websites, but their activity/service is usually not limited to online reporting. MakeSense64 (talk) 07:08, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

• Delete. Fails WP:NOTDIR. Mtking ^(edits) 04:01, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
• Delete. As fails WP:NOTDIR. Unsalvageable, but postdlf has a good point about making a global list. --Ifnord (talk) 17:13, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
• Delete This is exactly the kind of article that WP:NOTDIR is talking about. -DJSasso (talk) 21:31, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

• Comment - Which of the eight points listed in WP:NOTDIR are these three above delete !votes referring to? A clarification would be helpful toward this discussion. Please view the current version of this article prior to replying, as the article has received significant changes. Thank you for your consideration. Northamerica1000^(talk) 22:07, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

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