Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of video game soundtracks released on vinyl

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. postdlf (talk) 18:32, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of video game soundtracks released on vinyl[edit]

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Not sure if an article for a list of video game soundtracks that are put on vinyl records is notable. There's not a list on albums still being released on vinyl. Or any list involving vinyl besides this. GamerPro64 04:15, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:57, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:57, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions. (G·N·B·S·RS·Talk) NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:57, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - It seems to be notable enough that RSes like Kotaku, Game Informer, and Destructoid make note of the practice. Of course the article is massively under-reffed, but that might be improvable. Anyway, in its current state it might be a good candidate for merging with Video game music. -Thibbs (talk) 05:21, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - As a list article, the coverage of the topic as a whole only takes place in the lede and the bulk of the article is composed of sourced entries. There are some good RSes that cover the topic generally (e.g. 1 and 2) and from WP:VG's Custom RS searches I see some nearly 250k hits worth of articles that could probably source many of the individual entries. I think the article just needs cleanup. -Thibbs (talk) 14:46, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - I added a lede now and used those two RSes as sources. That introduces the topic as a whole and defines the inclusion criteria. I don't find a whole lot more that covers the topic generally, but it's not hard to find RSes for the individual entries. So I think it meets the bare minimum for GNG, but if that's not good enough then I'd ask for userfication in the hopes that I can find a few more RSes in the future that treats the topic generally. -Thibbs (talk) 17:44, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Trivial intersection. Being released on vinyl does not mean it's good music. In one case only 500 copies were pressed.Borock (talk) 06:43, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Whether or not the music is good is entirely subjective. It's the fact that these small 500-copy releases are often covered by the RSes that suggests the concept is considered novel and notable enough to cover in the encyclopedia. -Thibbs (talk) 14:46, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Being "good music", or a soundtracks availability, is irrelevant to Wikipedia's notability guidelines. I'm unsure of my stance yet, but that rationale is invalid. Sergecross73 msg me 16:55, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Is there any sort of general "video game soundtrack" type list? It seems like this could be more of a column in that chart than its own article. Sergecross73 msg me 16:55, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am not aware of any. There is an article about Video game music but it does not have any lists of soundtracks and I think adding one there would make the article too large. We also have Category:Video game soundtracks but looking at that shows that we only have article on individual soundtracks not a list of them though with 132 entries there may be enough material to create a list.--64.229.167.161 (talk) 18:51, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 00:54, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Regular music albums released on vinyl aren't worth a list, so why would video game music? Clarityfiend (talk) 07:48, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- See WP:OTHERSTUFF. -Thibbs (talk) 12:23, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - That's a good point. The fact that lists for mainstream music being released on vinyl don't exist does not in itself prove that this list is not worth it since it could be the case that creation of other lists of this nature have simply been overlook and that it should be them being created not this one deleted. If, on the other hand, there were lists of this nature and they were deleted by consensus that would strengthen the case for deletion since deletion here would be a case of following an established precedence, not simply a case of WP:OTHERSTUFF.--67.68.161.176 (talk) 00:49, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - Okay, let's try this argument then. To my surprise, there are lists of best video game soundtracks (e.g. by Forbes and Rolling Stone), but none for them on vinyl. The only one from possibly(?) a reliable source is this Goldmine article.[1] Clarityfiend (talk) 01:37, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      - Almost all of the sources currently used in the article are in fact reliable. Check them against WP:VG/RS. I think the only one that is a non-RS is the discogs ref (#30). There are also several list entries that have no source and those should probably be cut if no RSes can be found to support them. The two reliable sources that discuss the topic in general plus the many (44) other RSes that cover the individual list members should be sufficient. -Thibbs (talk) 20:05, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        You're missing the point. Just because facts can be verified doesn't mean they're notable. A banana has about 1 mg of sodium.[2] A serving of banana peppers contains about 16 mg.[3] Doesn't mean this merits a List of fruits and vegetables by sodium content. Show me another source (besides the one I found) that compiles a list of soundtracks in vinyl. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:13, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        Per WP:GNG notability is presumed when "a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". The two reliable sources that are currently used to source the lede of the article give the topic significant coverage and they are independent of the subject and they are both reliable. Membership in the list is also not difficult to demonstrate - currently nearly all of the supporting refs are reliable and it is a trivial matter to remove the list entries that cannot be reliably sourced. A stand-alone list article is different from a normal article because often only the lede treats the topic in a general manner and the remainder of the list is individually sourced non-prose list members. Since the lede is only 2 paragraphs long, I don't see the need for more than the minimum requirements set forth in the GNG. If there is consensus to hold the article to a higher standard then I ask for userfication. -Thibbs (talk) 22:19, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Looking at the article in its current status, I believe that it not only looks improved, but it might meet notability standards. Might be incomplete due to it only going far back to 1996 but I trust that if Thibbs puts more work into the article, it might be a very informative page on a subject I didn't believe had enough to warrant an article. GamerPro64 06:04, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rcsprinter₁₂₃ (relate) @ 17:47, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Lots of reliable sources, and the mere fact that stuff like this is being released on vinyl in this day and age is interesting and possibly notable in and of itself.~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 01:29, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per Thibb's additions. It looks like coverage exists, and there's valid content beyond the list itself too, so I'm all for it now. Sergecross73 msg me 15:55, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I don't see anything wrong on this page, it is an actual proper music list. --ToonLucas22 (talk) 17:13, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.