Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of universities that offer the PPE degree

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Deleting - consensus equals Wikipedia is not a directory. --VS talk 10:36, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of universities that offer the PPE degree[edit]

List of universities that offer the PPE degree (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Wikipedia is not a directory Corvus cornix 22:29, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. I fail to see how it is notable to list what universities offer a certain course. Resolute 22:34, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This article was created by an editor who felt that a list of such schools was important. I'm absolutely against having such lists in the main article Philosophy, Politics, and Economics -- I fail to see why a general list of schools should be added to any academic subject. The first college to cover the course is of historical value (in this case Oxford) but the others hardly seem important. But I'm indifferent to the List of universities that offer the PPE degree and await with interest which way this discussion goes. Keep it, delete it, I don't care. Just so long as it doesn't get bolted back onto the main article. Cheers, Neale Neale Monks 22:40, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ultra-Delete per nom Bulldog123 23:44, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, Merge to Philosophy, Politics, and Economics. The list seems mildly useful for those trying to study that sort of thing. Mystache 01:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • A merge does not resolve the WP:NOT violation. Corvus cornix 01:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment. Sorry, I didnt mean necessarily a direct merge, but some integration of the information into the parent article. It mentions the growth of PPE from Harvard/Oxford to other schools and it might be noteable to track some historically significan schools. Mystache 03:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • merge these degrees are manifestly patterned after the original degree, and I thing a list of such related programs would be appropriate at the end of an article. DGG (talk) 01:46, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: As I've said elsewhere, while it may be interesting to mention the first university *other* than Oxford to teach the course, or the fact that Harvard teaches the course under a different name, simply listing dozens of schools teaching the course is ridiculous. Lists of institutions offering classes belong in DMOZ or Yahoo! not Wikipedia. It also sets a bad precedent for spammers to add links to their products or services. Should the article on Audi cars list every dealer selling them? Or an article on The Hobbit list bookshops selling it? Cheers, Neale Neale Monks 09:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletions. -- Bduke 04:15, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and propose a merge in the normal fashion. The nomination doesn't state what possible problem there is with this lists inclusion criteria or its goal. Talk of precedents for spammers is FUD; spammers dont offer PPE courses. Each list should be taken on its merits. This is a list of notable institutions offering a notable accreditation. A list is more appropriate than a category in this case because universities offer thousands of courses and adding thousands of categories would not work. Adding a University to thousands of lists does work, and the factoids of which Universities offer which courses is information that future generations will want to know about. A merge looks like a reasonable approach, but Afd is not the place for that. John Vandenberg 03:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment John, please explain what the notability of the institutions and the degree has to do with listing them in an article? Should medical schools be listed in the article on medicine? There's (oddly) an article on Medical schools that seems to be nothing more than lists of schools of that type. So there's a precedent for keeping this particular article as well. The precedent of spam in the article obviously (as well you know!) didn't mean people pushing porn, pills, and mortgages. No, what I'm concerned about is opening the door to every school around the world adding its class or course to articles about academic subjects. Cheers, Neale Neale Monks 10:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I presume you are referring to my opinion that a merge is a good way forward as you have said you are ambivalent to this list being kept separate. I can understand your reluctance to have this list merged into the main article, as the field of study is distinct from the places that offer it, but this is an obscure degree and so keeping it all together is the best approach to serve the reader. Medicine is a very broad and well developed discipline, whereas the PPE article and this list are not a topic many readers will likely ever run into unless they know what they are looking for. Sadly, two small articles are considered undesirable on Wikipedia whereas one larger article is deemed a good thing. As a result, a merge is appropriate in this case, but not in the case of Medicine.
Can you provide some diffs to versions of either the PPE article or the list that have included "spam" entries? I assume you are worried that it will end up like this historical version. In response to that (assuming I understand you correctly), the other institutions can be added to the PPE article down the bottom in an appendix fashion. My guess is that people of all walks of life have honestly (in good faith) added other institutions that offer this course where ever it seemed to fit into the flow of the article. Sadly that has meant they have been trying to cram a list of institutions into the lead of the article. If we were to provide a nice table at the bottom of the article, and order it by year that the course was first offered, people would augment that table appropriately rather than modifying the lead paragraph. Additional columns can be added to list to record key faculty staff that were involved in the course, and any notable alumni from that institution. When the course is offered by a university of questionable notability, the row for that university will be unable to fill in the additional columns. The intent of this approach is to ensure the reader is well informed. As it is, the PPE article has no sources at all, so its present form is hardly a model article that should be protected. Have you been unable to find any reviews of the Oxford course? John Vandenberg 13:56, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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