Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of travel podcasts

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The result was keep‎. Please prune this list according to guidance coming from this discussion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:23, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of travel podcasts

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WP:INDISCRIMINATE unrelated entries majority of them being non notable. I would argue neither do any of the other "List of X podcasts" but I disagree with mass nominations. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 20:41, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Travel and tourism and Lists. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 20:41, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Despite their inclusion in reliable sources, I don't think all of the listed podcasts can be objectively considered "travel podcasts" rather than podcasts about history and culture. For example, The Bitter Southerner is not about travel. It turns out that this particular podcast does involve travel. Also, it might be fine to have "travel podcasts" that are not "podcasts about traveling". Helpful Raccoon (talk) 21:26, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@OlifanofmrTennant: every entry in the list has a source that calls it a "travel podcast". Can you explain what you mean by WP:INDISCRIMINATE or indicate which of the four examples it falls under (NOTPLOT, NOTLYRICS, NOTSTATS, or NOTCHANGELOG)? TipsyElephant (talk) 23:32, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It best fits NSTATS but not really. It's more the fact that Travel podcast isn't an article therefore list of not notable thing isn't notable. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 01:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is your deletion rationale that the list is not notable then? This list could pass WP:NLIST independently of whether Travel podcast passes WP:N. It's also worth noting that WP:LISTCRIT states that While notability is often a criterion for inclusion in overview lists of a broad subject, it may be too stringent for narrower lists. So not all entries in the list have to be notable and notability does not have to be the criteria for inclusion. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The library in Spotify/Overcast/Apple is pretty massive. If they're not notable they shouldn't be listed. But even some of the bluelinks are radio shows or authors, so I don't think this is really feasible. All of these lists of podcasts are problematic, simply listing a fraction of those available to listen to with no clear inclusion criteria. Reywas92^Talk 03:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:NLIST because travel podcasts have been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, which is demonstrated by the existing references. TipsyElephant (talk) 19:27, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability#Stand-alone lists, which says, "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list." I will show below that "travel podcasts" has been treated as "a group or set by independent reliable sources".

Sources
1. Bhavani, Divya Kala (May 6, 2020). "Take a trip with these travel podcasts during the lockdown period". The Hindu. ISSN 0971-751X. Archived from the original on May 9, 2022. Retrieved May 9, 2022.
2. Strick, Katie; Fishwick, Samuel (April 29, 2020). "Virtually escape with the help of these travel podcasts". Evening Standard. Archived from the original on May 14, 2020. Retrieved May 9, 2022.
3. Hoek, Sarah (February 18, 2022). "PODCAST REVIEW: Travel podcasts to reignite the travel bug: Our weekly selection". Daily Maverick. Archived from the original on March 23, 2022. Retrieved May 9, 2022.
4. Sachs, Andrea (December 11, 2020). "With travel podcasts, explore the world through your ear buds". Washington Post. Archived from the original on December 3, 2021. Retrieved May 9, 2022.
5. Jackman, Robert (May 11, 2021). "Travel podcasts to fuel your wanderlust". The Spectator. Retrieved May 9, 2022.
6. Michelson, Megan (March 15, 2018). "The 8 Best Adventure-Travel Podcasts". Outside Magazine. Archived from the original on August 17, 2022. Retrieved May 9, 2022.
7. Budhraja, Anvita (December 3, 2018). "A Journey To The Land Of Indian Travel Podcasts". Verve Magazine. Archived from the original on June 29, 2022. Retrieved May 9, 2022.
8. "The 22 best travel podcasts to listen to now". Wanderlust Magazine. April 6, 2022. Archived from the original on April 18, 2021. Retrieved May 9, 2022.
9. Carrick, Evie (September 24, 2020). "14 Best Travel Podcasts to Listen to Right Now". Travel + Leisure. Archived from the original on May 16, 2022. Retrieved May 9, 2022.
10. Ward, Terry. "7 Travel Podcasts That'll Inspire Vacation Ideas". AARP. Archived from the original on May 17, 2022. Retrieved May 9, 2022.
11. Mills, Amy (May 4, 2020). "Top five travel podcasts to listen to in self-isolation". Who Magazine. Archived from the original on March 16, 2022. Retrieved May 9, 2022.
12. Moodley, Clinton. "5 travel podcasts to listen to while under lockdown". Independent Online. Archived from the original on May 9, 2022. Retrieved May 9, 2022.
13. Caldwell, Chloe (March 14, 2022). "The 15 Best Travel Podcasts To Fuel Your Wanderlust". Uproxx. Retrieved May 9, 2022.
14. Orr, Alice Florence (August 11, 2021). "9 Travel Podcasts You Should Be Listening To". Podcast Review. Los Angeles Review of Books. Archived from the original on June 29, 2022. Retrieved May 9, 2022.
15. Wills, Dixe (April 1, 2020). "10 of the best travel podcasts". The Guardian. Retrieved May 9, 2022.
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow the subject to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 10:56, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources I listed here are copied from the article's references. The list's inclusion criteria is clear: A travel podcast should be included in this list only when it has been called a "travel podcast" by an independent reliable source.
Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information says that "Wikipedia articles should not be":
1. "Summary-only descriptions of works."
2. "Lyrics databases."
3. "Excessive listings of unexplained statistics."
4. "Exhaustive logs of software updates."
Since this article is none of those, it does not violate WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Cunard (talk) 10:56, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 08:14, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I agree with Cunard's argument. Provided the set has been discussed (it has) and items included have been called such in sources, I do not think this is indiscriminate. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The inclusion criterion of "called a travel podcast in an independent source" is too indiscriminate. If this list is kept, it needs to be limited to notable examples, as otherwise it will become a massive directory of listicle-sourced non-notable topics. JoelleJay (talk) 01:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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