Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of television stations in the San Francisco Bay Area

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) ––FormalDude talk 11:41, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of television stations in the San Francisco Bay Area

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We don't have any other topic overviews of TV stations by market in this style. The contents lack citations and duplicate {{SF TV}} and the various pages featured. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:53, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:53, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:53, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:53, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Duplicated links THREE TIMES over and just not how we do articles any longer. Nate • (chatter) 03:07, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WP:CLN explains that lists, categories and other forms of navigation such as templates are complementary and so the existence of one is not a reason to delete another format. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:28, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

While generally true, [[WP:NMEDIALIST]] provides more specific elaboration ~ Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:45, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NMEDIALIST which explicitly forbids lists in cities by specific types of media. ~ Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:45, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. WP:NMEDIALIST is essay-level, and for good reason. It may well be worth having these sorts of articles in our encyclopedia; we're not limited by paper space constraints and they provide valuable information to someone trying to use Wikipedia as a reference book for these things. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 05:43, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 05:02, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment this article needs to be refactored into a SORTABLE list with columns for Network/Independent, defuct/active, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Estheim (talk • contribs) 23:04, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As written now, this is more of a topical overview. It's more like History of television in Atlanta, which is a big yiker too: it's lacking references badly. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:04, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How I'd organize it, albeit a lower quality example, is Radio in Guyana, where there's a general topic summary, then that sortable list that directs interested parties to read in detail. I think it's better for people who aren't enthusiasts but perhaps need a general idea for personal or educational purposes. Plus that makes coming up with sources easier and more tidy.

Checking again, I see that there's Media in the San Francisco Bay Area that also contains dupes of corresponding List articles. This is a very annoying problem because WP contradicts itself due to different editors managing and updating lists (and being totally unaware of other lists, a problem I experience frequently). There's a few different ways this could be handled, but if "TV in the bay area" is considered a significant enough topic, (sure, why not?) merge the TV section from Media in the San Francisco Bay Area into this page and change this from a list article into a prose one. That way any new additions to Bay Area TV would be directed right away to add it here only. Estheim (talk) 01:07, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:CLN. It's a useful navigation page. WP:NMEDIALIST is not a policy and does not have wide community support.4meter4 (talk) 18:10, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.